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George Springer: Should he lead off?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by jim1961, May 25, 2017.

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Should he lead off?

Poll closed Jul 24, 2017.
  1. Yes

    39 vote(s)
    60.0%
  2. No

    21 vote(s)
    32.3%
  3. Undecided (sample size too small)

    5 vote(s)
    7.7%
  1. Buck Turgidson

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    I remember the salad days of my youth, watching great baseball, seeing Rickey Henderson bat 3rd.
     
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  2. Buck Turgidson

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    That's a great quote, I'm going to borrow it in the future.

    But, to be fair, some people think better than others.
     
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  3. kaleidosky

    kaleidosky Your Tweety Bird dance just cost us a run

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    That's true. I bet he agrees with that and would be interested in running out Altuve at the top instead. He hasn't really given us real alternatives (from what I remember) as to what a lineup should look like with Springer not at the top
     
  4. kaleidosky

    kaleidosky Your Tweety Bird dance just cost us a run

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    It should be the auto-reply to "it is what it is". Like an idiom-filled version of King of the Hill "yep" "yup" "mmm hmmm"
     
  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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  6. Buck Turgidson

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    "Yeah man I'll tell ya what, ya talkin' about them dang old condom dispensers... Put little ol' 50 cents in there and try to hit that coin return... bang on that thing... Talkin' bout her needs." -- Boomhauer
     
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  7. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

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    You started the thread with a question. Were you not genuinely interested in answers?
     
  8. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

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    I've gotten plenty of answers (responses), dont you think?
     
  9. jim1961

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    OK, lets look at what the top 5 might look like in my way of thinking then.

    1) Reddick
    2) Altuve
    3) Marwin
    4) Correa
    5) Springer

    (This isnt written in stone. I would be just as happy with Altuve at the top).

    If AB's is your point, then your right, Springer would get fewer AB's. Meanwhile, Reddick, Altuve, Marwin and Correa would get more. Of the guys that would get more, would anyone argue that Altuve, Correa and Marwin getting more is a bad thing? Overall, Springer is a better offensive player than Reddick. OK. But not by a whole lot if your looking at 2017 numbers. Lets take a peak.

    Reddick 274/337/452/789 6HR 8DBLS 24SO
    Springer 265/342/500/842 12HR 7DBLS 52SO
     
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  10. juicystream

    juicystream Contributing Member

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    No, I don't think Marwin's hot May is enough to elevate over Springer's vastly better career.
     
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  11. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Altuve was/is an MVP candidate hitting 3rd and that has been statistically his strongest position in the order and you want to move him. Marwin has had 1 good month in his career (not saying it won't continue) and you want to move him. Reddick's 3 year splits with OBP is 20 points lower than Springer. You want to make 4 changes in the top 5 of the lineup with a lineup that is producing more runs than any team in the league. I just find it baffling.
     
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  12. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

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    Didn't you already make the mistake of discounting Springer's 2017 as being "in regression"... when as of now, he's very much in line with his career numbers?

    Meanwhile, you have no doubts that Marwin will keep up his production over a full season, with several more AB's/game... after just one tremendous month (where he was still not playing everyday)?

    I know, I know... you "think the way you think."
     
  13. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

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    Again, this isnt written in stone.

    1) Reddick
    2) Altuve
    3) Correa
    4) Springer
    5) Marwin

    This ^^^^ would work for me as well. I was trying to avoid three righties in a row (Altuve, Correa, Springer).
     
  14. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

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    And thats exactly why they don't bat them 1-2-3 (in any order)... when in reality, those 3 are the best hitters on this team and should be getting the most AB's.

    Moving them ALL down one makes no sense.

    In the end, I know you're going to keep arguing this till Springer is not your lead-off guy, but he does get on base well, he does run the bases well, he does work the count, and he's always going to be an extra-base threat with his bat.

    I'm sure in a month, after Bregman brings his overall traditional numbers up... you'll be advocating for him to crack your 1-3.

    You think the way you think...
     
  15. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

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    Sure; but when you say things, "Everyone thinks the way they think." - it gives the impression that you weren't really interested in engaging anyone else's opinion.
     
  16. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Quotes from Hinch:

    “From pitch one of the game, our opponent has to deal with virtually every outcome,” the Astros’ Hinch says, as Springer “can drive the ball out of the ballpark or he can work a walk, and that’s a rarity.”

    “I consider it a luxury to have such a good middle of the order that I can play with where I put the likes of George Springer.”

    “On the internal side, George Springer provides a lot of energy for our team. He is a little bit of the heartbeat of what goes on, and I don’t know how to measure that, I don’t know how to gauge that versus other teams, but I know that George’s energy is infectious at the top of the order, so him being first makes more sense than any of the other guys.”

    "...The premise is just we’re trying to create the most dynamic offense we can to score the most runs.”

    https://theringer.com/2017-mlb-prev...n-george-springer-kyle-schwarber-2e49f6ff7c58
     
  17. Hey Now!

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    You're advocating for a guy with a career slashline of .220/.282/.358/.641 against LHP to be our lead-off hitter? Never mind, his overall career slashline is significantly worse than Springer's.
     
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  19. Nick

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    Thanks.

    I don't see how anybody is arguing on how this offense is set up. It is the most dynamic offense in baseball... has a chance to be the most dynamic offense in Astros history (something I had my doubts on early on in the season)... is likely going to reach 300 runs scored before any other team has scored 200 runs... and yet people are STILL b****ing about the batting order.
     
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  20. jim1961

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    Well, I have continued to engage, haven't I?

    What I meant there is that engaging contrary opinion doesn't change ones thinking very often. When was the last time someone proclaimed "Ah, my opinion has been changed by your argument. Thank you for that" ?
    :)
     

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