The neck hold doesn't kill people - that's why it was approved by the police department and used for years. It's a very common hold. What's different this time versus all the other people who have been put in neck holds is that Floyd had 8 drugs in his system. There's no way for the officer to have known about the fatal level of drugs in Floyd's system before the department-approved neck hold was applied. And remember Floyd fought with the police for 20 minutes prior to having to be restrained. The policemen's lives were in serious danger, which led to more aggressive measures to restrain Floyd.
I notice you keep ignoring the part where he was pressing his knee on his neck for 5 minutes while Floyd was limp. The initial cause for the move to restrain a resisting Individual ended when Floyd turned limp. And he still had his knee on his neck for an additional 5 minutes not taking any responsibility of checking vitals during an entire 5 minutes of a man being limp underneath the pressure of your knee on the man's neck.
neck hold for 9 minutes...u will never be able to justify it or try to spin it away as not being the main contributor to immediate cause of death neck hold for 9 minutes is not approved by any police department...neck hold for 9 minutes isn’t common anywhere Floyd had already gone limp posing no danger, yet the knee on the neck remained for several more minutes you’re gonna have to do way better than what u just quoted me
A couple of questions for you: 1. Do you expect any human being to survive having 8 drugs in their system at once? Included in the 8 drugs was a "fatal level of fentanyl" according to the medical examiner. 2. Do you acknowledge that it is incredibly rare for someone to be killed by a neck restraint? Floyd was dishonest throughout the entire time he fought with the police. Why would the police believe him when he said he couldn't breathe? How did they know he wasn't playing possum with them, waiting to attack once they relaxed? I guarantee you that's what the police were nervous about -- all brought about by Floyd's actions. He fought with the police for 20 minutes before the video that you saw.
Playing posum? Dear lord. Tell me why not even attempt to check vitals any time during the entire 5 minutes he was completely limp? So when was the proper time to release the neck hold? 7 minutes of him being completely limp?
If you are a policeman who has applied the neck restraint many times without the suspect dying, then you wouldn't automatically think that the suspect was dead. You might think he's A) Passed out; B) Playing possum; or C) Gave up the struggle. After the 20 minute fight, I would imagine Chauvin was concerned about Floyd popping back up and going after them again. Floyd was a very large, powerful man. Not justifying it, but attempting to explain what was likely going through Chauvin's mind at the time. Remember, he just finished a 20 minute fight with Floyd. Imagine your mental state after something like that.
once again, a knee to the neck or “neck restraint” for 9 minutes Unless u can prove to me that a knee to the neck for 9 minutes isn’t something that’s fatal for a human being, u have zero argument. a 9 minute knee to the neck isn’t common...it isn’t approved by anyone...u have nothing but nonsense arguments if “playing possum” is the best u can do, then you’ve got nothing stop wasting my time man
Ya it definitely could harbor feelings of doing permanent damage. I agree. Hence his motive along with bystanders hurting his ego ny telling him what to do. The point of the neck restraint is to make the subject stop resisting. He did. Not only did he stop, he was literally limp. Cops can usually tell when someone is still tensed up with their muscles tightened still showing signs of resisting. He was limp. For 5 minutes. And not once did he attempt to check for vitals along with his fellow officers while bystanders were begging them to.
Hey dipshit another police officer at the scene tried to get him to stop twice and Chauvin refused. https://www.kare11.com/article/news...floyd/89-9f002e3f-972a-4410-86cb-50a1237fc496
Since you know so much, how many times had Chauvin used the neck hold for 9 minutes previous to his arrest of Floyd? How many times did he use the neck hold for 9 minutes while the subject was handcuffed? How many times did he use the neck hold for 9 minutes while the subject was handcuffed and two other officers were also holding him down? How many times had he agreed to plead guilty to 3rd degree murder with 10+ years in jail prior to him doing so after his killing of Floyd?
Looks like this Is where we're conducting our own trial. BBS prosecution and defense teams all present, good.
The defense to murder is that the drugs killed him. 8 drugs in your system will kill anyone. He also had COVID. Neck holds are applied all the time -- almost never fatal. You might not like it, but that's the defense.
Too bad the ME autopsy report disagrees. He could very well get off via a hung jury, but I can guarantee they won't be able to succesfully argue he was going to die anyway.
The medical examiner said the level of fentanyl in his system was fatal. Objectively, that is a huge hurdle for the prosecution to overcome.
The ME said the cause of death was the knee to the neck. Both autopsies called Floyd's death a homicide. That performed by the Hennepin County medical examiner cites “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.”
you seem to have problems addressing the 9 mins worth of neck holds. The defense is not going to get very far saying the neck hold is applied all the time. Whoop Dee do. They’re gonna have to address the 9 minutes. If they ignore it like you do, chauvin is going down. And yeah, I am actually a lawyer and have discussed the case with friends who are criminal defense lawyers, prosecutors and judges.
actually, this discussion needs more on @Trader_Jorge side to properly mimic a jury. It is not a stretch to say this case is decided in jury selection. I have observed tons of mock juror deliberations and jury research. A very inexact science to guess what a jury will focus on and how a case will go. The drugs in Floyd’s system could be a bargaining chip in deliberations to drop the conviction to lower degree.
Probably accurate. Voir Dire will make or break it. And yes, many times juries will think of a list of charges (like this case) as a menu...and will select one... thinking of it as a "compromise" by convicting on a weaker charge. On a polarizing issue such as this, it's hard to fathom how 12 people could agree. Statistically very low odds of that happening.
