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Generation Chickenhawk: With The College Republicans

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Jul 19, 2007.

  1. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

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    This is beautiful!

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  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    what does its say, no video at the j-o-b
     
  3. nyquil82

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    they don't get much smarter when they are fully grown.
     
  4. mc mark

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    http://maxblumenthal.com/

    On July 13, 2007, I visited Section 60 of Arlington National Cemetery, where the bodies of American soldiers killed in Iraq were freshly interred. Afterwards, I headed across the street to the Sheraton National Hotel, owned by right-wing Korean cult leader Sun Myung-Moon, to meet some of the war’s most fervent supporters at the College Republican National Convention.

    In conversations with at least twenty College Republicans about the war in Iraq, I listened as they lip-synched discredited cant about “fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here.” Many of the young GOP cadres I met described the so-called “war on terror” as nothing less than the cause of their time.

    Yet when I asked these College Repulicans why they were not participating in this historical cause, they immediately went into contortions. Asthma. Bad knees from playing catcher in high school. “Medical reasons.” “It’s not for me.” These were some of the excuses College Republicans offered for why they could not fight them “over there.” Like the current Republican leaders who skipped out on Vietnam, the GOP’s next generation would rather cheerlead from the sidelines for the war in Iraq while other, less privileged young men and women fight and die.
     
  5. Saint Louis

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    I was going to say, the children of the aristocracy make such poor cannon fodder. The American economy would crater without their purchasing power keeping it afloat. It is so much better to send over the folks from that lower income bracket because if they don't return then it helps solve the affordable housing problem.
     
  6. nyquil82

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    ...because someone needs to buy the $120 jeans with holes in them from abecrombie and fitch.
     
  7. Agent94

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    Why are repressed homosexuals attracted to the republican party?
    The 'not gay' guy was not the only one that seemed a little gay.
     
  8. Refman

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    Actually since it was a Democratic administration that oversaw our entry and escalation in Vietnam, it would be more accurate to state the following:

    Like the current Democrats who dodged the Vietnam draft, these young Republicans cheerlead from the sidelines....."

    The passage you quoted make it sound as though the Republicans had masterminded Vietnam...this is simply inaccurate. Kennedy got us in and LBJ escalated. Nixon and Ford oversaw our withdrawal.
     
  9. Baqui99

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    What a bunch of pansies.
     
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    Strange. I didn't read it that way at all. He's saying some of the biggest proponents of this war avoided service in Vietnam while still supporting that war... just as this generation of Young Repubs is cheering a war on while avoiding the opportunity to serve. Seems perfectly clear to me.

    Let's just hope we don't repeat this cycle again in 30 years.
     
  11. rimrocker

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    Oh, and by the way, a good argument could be made that the US entered Vietnam under Eisenhower, who if I recall was a Republican. At least the first names on the Wall were killed in July of 1959.
     
  12. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    It says you cannot be in favor of the war unless you are willing to enlist today. If you are, that makes you a Chickenhawk, which is the lowest form of life. The order of value for Americans is:
    1. Against the war - not serving (Nancy Pelosi, Michael Moore, SamFisher)
    2. Against the war - serving (all of those poor people who were somehow duped into joining the military)
    3. Have no opinion on the war (babies, people with Alzheimers, sometimes Ted Kennedy)
    4. For the war - serving (General Petreus)
    5. Enemy sleeper cells in the United States either waiting to carry out actions against America or actively doing so (If I knew any examples of this group, they wouldn't be members of this group very long)
    6. For the war - not serving (StupidMoniker - booo hiss)
     
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    Stupidmoniker there is no way you should enlist - it is simply too dangerous. We need your strategic planning skills to help us back on the home front to plot strikes on Al Qaeda's submarine force and their attack helicopters, militarily there is no way you can be stopped or defeated! Only politics keeps you down. :(
     
  14. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Hoo rah.
     
  15. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    You are creating a disturbance.
     
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    No No No. StupidM fills a different vital war time need. The United States has a severe shortage of able bodied war supporters who will step into the breach and lecture the country on how only a lack of will at home can defeat the US in Iraq.
     
  17. giddyup

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    As someone has said here before, we all appreciate the work of firemen and police officers and sewer workers but we don't all do the work, do we?

    When you go to confront and attempt to embarass someone you deserve to have your ass on the ground.
     
  18. pirc1

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    If fire and crime are elective then you can say the same thing. Was it absolutely necessary to invade Iraq? What was the reasons for invading Iraq again (to create more terrorists so we can kill them)?
     
  19. geeimsobored

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    Of course that's true but I think one of the primary problems with the situation in iraq is the fact that much of the American public has very little connection to it. Most of us don't have family and friends in Iraq and as a result we tend to speak in a very divorced and abstract manner when it comes to Iraq. It almost sounds like a video game, the way each of us talks about battlefield strategy and keeping the troops there longer. And sometimes it sounds like we forget that there are real people over there because in most cases we're just not really affected by the war.

    Consequently when people make the argument "why don't you join the army" it's a pretty silly one, but there's a level of truth to it. Most of aren't in Iraq and don't know anyone there so we come off as armchair intellectuals, debating about an issue we have little connection to and consequently little understanding of the sheer magnitude of it.

    i find it pretty sad to hear people like StupidMoniker say that we should be more tolerant of casualties when he has no personal connection to this war and consequently little ground to stand on in my book. of course it's much easier to demand more tolerance when you have no personal life or friend's life at stake. I think those that say the media only covers the bad news, need to wake up. This is a real war, with real people, real deaths, and real problems. The last thing we need to do is further bury our heads in the sand when we're already doing that so to speak since we have no personal connection to this conflict.
     
  20. giddyup

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    It's a volunteer army-- just like fire and police work. If we had a draft in place, I think I'd be singing a different tune about this aspect of it.
     

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