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General Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus (Benghazi issue)

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  1. Huricane

    Huricane Member

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    Based on the totality of information, yes. The two things that Secretary Panetta said or was implied was that 1.) they did not have enough information and 2.) real time information.

    General Petraeus is very diplomatically & politely saying, yes we did to both of those, and no it was not me that gave the order stand down or hold back.

    If you know anything about General Petraeus, you know that he is exceptionally smart, and and has earned the respect of everyone around him, which is why he is very well respected in Washington by both Democrats and Republicans.

    It will be very hard for anyone to criticize him. On top of that, the Obama administration has a history of ruffling the feathers of several top military personnel. First is was General James Jones then Stanley A. McChrystal.

    I am kinda curious as to how the Administration responds to this.
     
    #21 Huricane, Oct 26, 2012
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    Those people don't want human rights. They want their dictators. They get rid of one but they can't live democratically. They've got to have another king. We should quit trying to civilize them and just herd them around the way they like.
     
    #22 jopatmc, Oct 26, 2012
  3. Granville

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    And General Petraeous didn't say that there were norequests for help.
     
    #23 Granville, Oct 26, 2012
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    Right, people lining up to die in Tahrir Square really wanted Mubarak to stay.

    They didn't want to die for rights. They're incapable of rights. They're just a big blob of "other" I haven't bothered to look into at all.
     
    #24 Northside Storm, Oct 26, 2012
  5. redlawn

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    Can you please just go jump off a cliff or something?
     
    #25 redlawn, Oct 26, 2012
  6. Huricane

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    Hello Northside,

    Politico has pretty much lost any and all credibility as an unbiased news website. It is pretty much a political hack job website and carries water for the Obama administration.

    Obama literally threw Israel under the bus with his 1967 speech line. Obama made the speech without informing Benjamin Netanyahu in advance of the contents of the speech. That speech changed the dynamics of being able to negotiate a peace process by poisoning it. One of the requirements that Israel always had was a right to exist as a country, which Hamas denies. You have not heard another thing from the Obama administration since then on this issue.

    In regards to Iran, the Obama administration has fought Israel every step of the way. From acknowledging red lines, to watering down sanctions and diplomacy that has gone nowhere. All of this has allowed Iran to move forward with it's nuclear weapons program. If the power lines to one of the nuclear facilities was not cut, which subsequently caused the a large number of centrifuges to catch fire, Iran would already had nuclear weapons capability. Unfortunately, this has only delayed Iran's nuclear program by 6 months. In the mean time, Iran continues to enrich uranium and will have enough uranium, enriched to 20% to make 5 or 6 bombs. At that point, it will only take about three weeks to enrich to weapons grade. Iran has purchased Russian s300 surface to air missiles. These things are deadly for any aircraft.

    The decisions that Obama has made has had significant financial impact on Israel, and they are almost all negative.

    If you want an honest opinion of how the decisions that President Obama has made that effect Israel, try reading some of the following newspapers /websites:
    www.Debka.com
    www.Timesofisrael.com
    Arutz Sheva www.israelnationalnews.com
    Jerusalem Post www.JPost.com
     
    #26 Huricane, Oct 26, 2012
  7. Granville

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    Obama was busy playing hoops with the his favorite Hoopster General to worry about acts of terror.

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/hSM9j81X0g4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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    Can you elaborate a bit? What specifically in his speech was so objectionable to Israelis? There's been wide agreement in the diplomatic community that a 2-state solution would have to be arranged along roughly the 1967 borders, with land swaps to accommodate the fact that Israel has already de facto acquired land on the other side of the border through their settlement building. Moderates in Israel have already agreed on this, I thought.
     
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  9. Huricane

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    Delete
     
    #29 Huricane, Oct 26, 2012
  10. Huricane

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    As crazy as what jopatmc says sounds, it is actually true.
    This is actually what the British did after WWI and the Eisenhower administration did in the 1950's

    We had more peace with Monarchies and Dictators than with democracies in Muslim majority countries. Case in point, Egypt with Hosni Mubarak, Saudi Arabia with there monarchy, Iran with there Shaw, as well as Tunisia with its King, and Yemen.
     
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  11. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    You could go on and on but at some point you'd realize you don't know what you're talking about. Or maybe not.
     
    #31 CometsWin, Oct 26, 2012
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    You mean you don't know what I'm talking about. Because I know exactly what I'm talking about. There will never be peace in the Middle East. Mark it down. It's in their nature. The best thing that can be done with them is control them. They don't want peace. They don't like peace. They want everybody dead but Muslims and then they want to play king of the mountain among the Muslims constantly to determine who sits on the throne. They'll never change.
     
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    I think it depends on definition of peace. I'm pretty sure if someone came to your house, installed a charming dictator as he pointed a gun at your head, you'd be quiet as mouse, peaceful even.
     
    #33 redlawn, Oct 26, 2012
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    It looks like all the crazy misinformation and falsehoods about Obama's foreign policy is all coming out in this one thread.
     
    #34 FranchiseBlade, Oct 26, 2012
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    And why do you think that is? Factor in our involvement in there. We'd like to see how informed you are on the situation.
     
    #35 redlawn, Oct 26, 2012
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    Because you would be okay taking up arms and being a military soldier enacted with keeping the peace in Libya, Iran, or Syria?
     
    #36 rpr52121, Oct 26, 2012
  17. CometsWin

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    No, you are constantly posting a bunch of nonsense as if its fact. You can't have your own facts, try as you might.
     
    #37 CometsWin, Oct 26, 2012
  18. tallanvor

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    When hasn't the Middle East been blowing each other up?


    It will be interesting to see how much more information comes out before the election and if the white house can keep it buried long enough. Seems like a lot of people are being asked to stfu.
     
    #38 tallanvor, Oct 26, 2012
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    The fact is there hasn't ever been peace over there.
     
    #39 jopatmc, Oct 26, 2012
  20. redlawn

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    And why is that?
     
    #40 redlawn, Oct 26, 2012
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