So DD, the only move you can argue shows that Les is going to try to save money...... is one that you liked from a basketball perspective anyways, and is something most people on this forum have liked. And I was hardly following basketball during those days, but I'm under the impression we had a pretty large payroll under the Barkley/Dream/Drexler tandem. I don't think Les is necessarily Cuban, but people are acting like he's Sarver or Sterling. As meh said, which was the year where going all out would have been the difference? The years when Yao or McGrady were wearing suits?
I have a degree in Quantitative Method, and am a Manager... Thanks for letting me know that i suck at my job.
DD cheap owners don't buy picks. Being cheap means you pocket every $$$ you can get. WHether he's getting insurance payments or not don't really factor in it, that's why they're called cheap.
Dobro, I said generally speaking, you might be really good at your job, I don't know, I am only speaking from my experience. Of course, you could suck at your job too, maybe this will serve as a wakeup call for you to be a better people person. JK DD
I think Les talks a big game but hides his wallet. Sure he buys picks, which cost $$$, but that is not the same as paying for talented role player that put you in the luxury tax area, but increase your teams chances to win to the nth degree over buying picks. Maybe cheap was a bit harsh, but that is how I look at him, a guy who is all huff and little follow through. We have heard for years that he would exceed the luxury tax for the right players, well, Cuban just proved that sometimes the right players are not superstars but talented role players......and he has continually taken on large contracts of fading stars to get other players. While I think Les WANTS to win, I think Cuban will do anything TO win. DD
Couldn't agree more here. Expecially when you look back at the Drexler/Barkley/Pippen years. You are upset at Les and the Stat Geek(apparent social moron) Daryl Morey for not spending huge amounts of money on basic role players while they throw a huge contract offer in front of a Chris Bosh this last offseason. I have no quam whatsoever of getting value and flexibilty out of your rotation players but spending like crazy for that one guy that can turn around a franchise. Managing flexibilty in the roster in order to SIGN THE BIG FISH is key here. I agree its not Chris Bosh necessarily, but if you dont think he would have been a difference maker going into the future with the Rockets, then I still believe you are wrong. You know what the major difference is in Mark Cuban/Nelson Vs. Les/Morey.... The Mavs struck gold in the draft when they landed Dirk. Thats about it. Its that one player that Les has shown he will pay whatever is necessary to get. There is noway you can deny that. You can argue all you want about role players.
Only to r****ds like you. It was a sales pitch. I don't get why your brain is unable to comprehend that. You truly are a moron. Please stop it.
me personally, i'm not upset at the money morey/les have spent or lack there of. on cuban specifcially, he has obviously spent money on players that didn't pan out, and therefore you can not say stats was the biggest reason for the championship when he is willing to throw money at his mistakes.
Quantitative Method(Statistics) is used mostly for marketing purposes obviously(what I do.) Studying people's buying habits vs athletic performance is much different in concept but still much of the end goal of the statistician is to learn about people and their daily habits/performance in order to communicate to them, evaluate them, or MANAGE them better. From MY EXPERIENCE working with marketing or stat people is that we GENERALLY can communicate and manage people just fine. Now if Morey was a CPA I would have to agree with you. However, I have met many CPA's that communicate and manage just fine. But in the end, you are going to dislike who you are going to dislike. Alot of people here dislike Morey and now Les... and they are searching pretty hard to find reasons.
I don't dislike Morey at all, I just think he has some growing to do in how he manages people. There is a reason the players went to him and said they felt like assets, because that is what Morey conveys, and thus the organization conveys. Do you think Cuban's player feel like that? Even though in the back of their minds they know it....that is what I am talking about, DM talks too much, IMO. As for Dirk, the Mavs did not draft him they traded Tractor Traylor for him on draft night. Let's hope the Rox can get lucky like that with some of their better role players. I don't dislike anyone on the team, I just don't fall for the company line when the results speak something different than the words they are saying. DD
The fact the team had Yao Ming. Also, the Rockets offer was very close to the FULL MLE. The Rockets would not have gotten him anyway, because Orlando matched the full MLE offer. I think the more impressive point is that the Rockets talent evaluation was correct, Gortat is a good player.
The point was that Cuban KNEW that offering as much as he could would give him a better shot at getting Gortat. This is exactly what I am talking about......we offered a smaller offer to try to pinch pennies, Cuban offered the FULL amount and even though Orlando matched.....if he went anywhere it would have been Dallas over us..... That is a great example of the Rox pinching pennies when they should have been spending them. DD
There are some other factors, though. Do you think Cuban would have offered the full amount and willingly taken on more luxury tax if he knew there was a very good chance his two best players (Nowitzki, and whoever #2 was) would miss the follow year (and maybe beyond) with injury? There would at least be more hesitation, right? Also, its possible the Rockets offer was privately negotiable but they decided to switch their pursuit to Ariza on determining that the Magic would likely match. Not much consolation for you, granted. .
I think Cuban would have offered as much as he could regardless because it would make his team better. That is the difference Durv. You do not HEDGE bets when you are trying to win, you just go for it. DD
What makes you think Cuban would be trying to win if his two best players are lost indefinitely to injury? He has publicly said that its better to be really bad than to try to scrap and claw for a mediocre record. Worst place to be is in the middle, I think were his words.
Maybe the real issue here is that the players or the fans are just being too sensative. I work for a company, Im an asset... Its the way the world works on paper. It doesn't mean that they dont care about their employees, the military with its soldiers, or players for an NBA team. However, at the end of the day... you signed up for this. I can be moved or fired at any time. Just like them. At least they have a contract that THEY SIGNED for guarenteed pay despite performance. We could all be so lucky. And honestly, the players complained very minimally at the trading deadline with the obvious media gander convoluting their verbage to create a story that would be read. The people mostly all up in arms about how the players are treated are the fans. Im pretty sure Morey tweets jokes to Lowry, and Kevin Martin all the time. Les not so much, but thats his personality. Mark Cuban might be a better drinking buddy, but thats just his style. Dont think for a moment that he cant turn on his shrewd business persona any time it comes in between him and his pocketbook. He didn't get where he got today just by being a fun guy. As for Dirk being drafted by the Mavs... i know he technically wasn't drafted by them but he was a draft pick they traded for. Its still a gamble that they would have rather taken over Traylor. The other team just wanted Traylor more obviously. If Traylor turned into Shaq then it would have been a different story.
