I have several gay friends and this has been discussed, and I personally feel that that are some RARE instances when a male may have a feminine tendacies or woman may be masculine. This is a debate that can get heated if you disucuss this with certain people. I think it is becoming more accepted in our and some other societies thus it seems more people are willing to "give it a try". IF IT WERE SOMETHING GENETIC AND NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CHOSE TELL ME WHY THERE IS NOT THE SAME RATIO OF HOMOSEXUALS IN OTHER SOCIETIES OR COUNTRIES? Think about it, if you are born gay, then tribes in third world countries should have the same ratio of homosexuals as we do in the United States and other countries.
how do you know there's not the same ratio? maybe they can't be as open about it because in a lot of places they can be persecuted and even executed for it (including our good buddy Saudi Arabia). Have you done much traveling to other countries? I think you would be surprised just how many of us there are.
Actually, if you think about it, your argument is easily inverted... The very fact that when it is societally acceptable homosexuality rises in terms of known percentage of population could easily be argued to mean that it is a constant which only becomes evident when the penalty for same is lessened.
Is there any credible studies on the ratio of homosexuals, both in the West and worldwide? It seems to me you can get vastly different answers depending whom you ask. MacBeth, I don't think your conclusion follows. The ratio rises where it is more socially acceptable is expected. But that doesn't prove that there is an underlying x% constant there just waiting to be uncovered. It could be that with more social acceptance, people are more likely to "choose" the homosexual lifestyle (kinda like smoking).
I wasn't making a conclusion...I was pointing out that hius was open to inversion by that argument. If, for example, some periods where it was accpetable it rose, but others it didn't, then that might be construed asbeing evidence of it being a taste...However, the fact that is has always risen, arguably as high as society allows ( ie, in Hellas, where is was totally accepted, it rose to being the epitome of 'love'..) could defnitely be seen as making the point that it's a constant, and only it's only the appearance that alters with social acceptance.
I have PLENTY of gay friends... and I really don't see how anyone could think that actually just BEING gay is a choice. The choice is whether a gay person wants to admit it. I mean, really, I've heard plenty of testimonials from gay guys who said they were sexually active with girls in high school, but it "never seemed quite right..." As was suggested, I think the disparity in gay population between different countries is due to the rising level of social acceptance. I'm sure there were, and are, many gays who are too terrified of the repercussions to ever "come out." Besides... how and why would you CHOOSE to be gay? Does a voice come from your head and ask you which you prefer? And what are the ADVANTAGES anyway? So you get to be persecuted by a large percentage of the population? I really can't see people "choosing" to be gay just to identify with a group.
BTW... I know a set of twins where one is gay, one straight, in case anyone is interested (Hey, I'm in California... what do you expect ). I'm sure I could get them to answer some questions if anyone cared.
to follow the first sentence with the second sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. why would people choose the homosexual lifestyle? did you "choose" to be heterosexual? is being heterosexual "kinda like smoking" or "a dog humping your leg" like someone else mentioned above? you and others who express your views and theories on the subject in this thread may want to reconsider your arguments if they blatantly insult a group of people on this board. utter GARBAGE!!! look, i'm black, in an interracial relationship, AND gay. i have rednecks and segreationalists looking at me funny... and now i "choose" to add bashers to that list? hmmm... what's wrong with that picture? oh yeah... i got it... i want to be discriminated against because it's the "in thing" to do. sure i can get dragged behind a truck, have my partner get called a "ni**er lover", or get tied to a split-railed fence while being tortured and beaten to death... but who cares! at least i'll be part of the "in crowd" and that's the most important thing... right? easy, do you really think men or women that are gainfully employed, purchase a big house, have a lot of children, eventually retire in their early 60s... do you really think they "choose" to top off all of that because it's the "in thing" to do? yeah... sure they do. the real reason is because it wasn't socially acceptable to come out of the closet at the time. i know several people that have gone through this. think.
crap... did it again. sorry... really. don't want to be accused of post padding. i'm still a newbie so cut me some slack.
Hey OS, No need to be mad. I don't claim to know anything about homosexuality first hand. And as I said, I don't condemn gays. I was just saying (to MacBeth) that to assume there is an across the board fixed proportion of naturally gay people is just that, an assumption. I am just speculating that homosexual lifestyle may be an "acquired taste." With more social acceptance, more people are likely to "try it out" and "become" gay. (Again, this is pure speculation. Please don't hold it to me.) That's why I used the smoking analogy. Smoking, in the past, was socially acceptable. Hence more people "acquired" the smoking lifestyle. Nowadays, smoking is getting less and less socially acceptable. More people are consciously avoiding to acquire the lifestyle. I said "kinda" because smoking is actually the oppposite of homosexuality. Smoking is getting less acceptance whereas homosexuality is getting more. OK, I'm muddying it even more. I didn't mean to offend you or anyone. And I certainly didn't mean to say that all gays choose to be gay. I don't know all gays to say that. . . and I'm sure you don't know all gays either.
yes, i do. we have our own secret handshake and everything. have you seen "undercover brother" with eddie griffin (not the rox player)? well... it's kind of like that. an underground movement thing... you know?
I can imagine eddie griffin (the rox player) to be "undercover brother" I'd better stop, or the admin will move this thread to the GARM forum.
Are some dogs into human legs while others are not? Are some into left legs while others are into right legs? Are they born that way, or do their early interactions with their siblings and parents inform this behavior? Will anyone ever use the word "legosexual" after this post?
I talked to a group of lesbians last night and I asked them what are the benefits of having a female companion over a male companion and of course they gave me the usual women know women better and all that and some said they just like women and not men but some said they like to f*ck men just not hang around them and deal with their bullsh*t so they just leave men alone. Later on in conversation, I can't remember how it was brought up, several of them said this is something that they didn't choose and I took that as them meaning it was natural for them to feel this way. Am I wrong, I am going to ask them today and see what I can find out.
