why are we quoting the Bible here? the only piece of text that matters is the Constitution. even if the SCOTUS leaves it to States, California Supreme Court has already ruled that Prop 8 is unconstitutional and it will be overturned.
Wow this is pretty heated but I agree that genetics has something to do with it so that's that, but because of its public reach into society it has also started to become a learned behavior. Regarding on religiously being right or wrong non of the 3 major religions accepts it so if ppl are of those religions are they sinners? Well I remember a lecture on that topic and basically the religious head stated, regardless if its genetic or not it's a temptation to do something against your religion( 3 major religions), so just like any bad temptation you suppress it and that is your test from god. Because we all have our weaknesses. Btw I'm Muslim and straight but this debate is always comes up in medicine or religious places so I thought I'd share that perspective.
I read some fascinating amicus briefs on the Perry and Windsor cases today. Given the responses of the justices during oral arguments, I don't think either cases' ruling will be as landmark come summer as the media is hyping them to be. The S.Ct likely may dismiss for lack of standing. If they do get to the merits of the cases, they'll issue a narrow decision. Support for SS has vastly increased since 2003's Lawrence decision, however, there's no rush since a substantial number of Americans still oppose it. Marriage equality is inevitable. If there's no sweeping 50-state ruling this June, this issue will be back soon enough by 2020. Of course, the court may pull another Sebelius if justices are sensitive to their legacies and wanting to settle this once and for all.
So what do you guys think will be the vote in several months? I feel prop 8 will be overruled, but I don't think same sex marriage will be recognized nation wide. It just all seems so sudden. I also wonder if in 2016 candidates will be asked directl their opinion the subject. It will be very interesting to watch!
I have let people live. I have rejoiced in their victories. And on an individual basis I have help fight their battles and have scars to prove it. And while I lived in Montrose in the early 80s I've taken enough eggs thrown at me by idiots thinking I was gay that I can open a breakfast joint. I leaped tall building and fences around Montrose to get out of the way of people in trucks looking for a little chase. So you guys just back off. I’ve earned my right to say what I want. And just to be clear I never said anything against gays. Not a damn thing. I’m pointing fingers at the media, the gay community leaders and their hetero supporters who are the quickest to call me a bigot…outside of a few people around here. But I will not ever accept the notion that just because someone is not a fan of gay marriage that they will be ridiculed as a despot on the human race and called a bigot. That’s not the way to change things for the better as I know it. So, in short for those taking notes, I support and love my gay brothers and sisters. Always have and always will, but I will always despise the way it’s being forced on everybody who is not gay.
right, so repealing anti-miscegenation was forcing inter-racial relationships on everybody. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. The government has imposed laws to try to force gays not to serve in the military, or to have unequal benefits out of spite. The repeal of these laws is a removal of constraints on liberty.
We can debate all we want about this issue but practically the tide has turned and gay marriage will be legal throughout the US and fully accepted in a matter of years. 20 years from now people will look back and wonder why this was even controversial.
I am not trying to mock you but am trying to understand exactly how gay rights activists are keeping people from churches. Freedom of religion is still a paramount right and if people are disrupting services they are subject to civil and/or criminal penalties. If people in the church are debating this that is an internal church matter. Unless you have Gay activists joining the church but then it is up t the church to determine that. It favors both. As much as MLK had to appeal to the reason of white people it still took militancy in the form of Freedom marches to truly shake the nation's consciousness. If you are talking violence I fully agree that violence is wrong but protests and civil disobedience is a legitimate and proper course of action. As far as those old people what it sounds like you are saying is that we should accommodate their views. If their views are against the tide of history how much should we accommodate those views? Unfortunately there does come a time when old views are no longer relevant to present times and while there are people who are so set in their ways they can't change that doesn't mean that we hold up history for them. I can sympathize as this issue no doubt causes a lot of pain in families but again that is the nature of generational change. Unfortunately with an issue that is so black and white, no pun intended, as either yes gay marriage or no gay marriage there isn't really one for nuance. And as anyone who knows my posting history I am one who usually argues for nuance. What I will agree with you though is that the tone could be better on this but that is really something that goes for almost every issue.
I fully agree. What Christianity, Islam, or any other religion teaches about homosexuality is up the practitioners of those religions. For someone not part of those it is an interesting intellectual exercise but not one that addresses the pluralistic nature of this country.
This I have come to accept as an eventuality. I saw this coming decades ago. Its easy to see how two loving parents of any gender is wonderful for the child. You can't beat love. But you can't beat people to make them love either.
I saw something on facebook this morning (sorry no source) Our culture has accepted two huge lies 1. If you disagree with somebody's lifestyle, then you must fear or hate them 2. To love someone means you agree with everything they say or do You don't have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.
So how do you feel when you are watching two women engage in homosexual behavior on youporn? Do you have moral disapproval for their actions?
