Well, it's my belief that some things get cemented into a person from their childhood. We all know that we can not rationalize during childhood the way we can when we become adults. Meaning, an 18-yr old knows why smoking is bad, whereas a 10-yr old may have trouble rationalizing it. So I only needs to "shield" my children upto a certain age. But the word shield is not right, because it's impossible to just shield a person from such things. There's TV, there's friends, there's the internet, etc.... So what I do is give the basics while my kid is growing up, then when he gets to a certain level of maturity, he can decide for his own if what I was saying is right or otherwise. But you're saying that I shouldn't care about my child mingling with the children of gay couples, but I don't want my child to hear that "it's ok", because to me it's not. For example, I don't want my 10-yr old hanging around with the children of drug dealers, even if the child himself/herself is not a drug dealer. Because the drug dealer's children will have gotten the impression that what Mom and Dad are doing is perfectly fine, and while transmit that message to my children one way or another. Don't you DARE sit here and tell me you don't mind your children going to school with a drug dealer's children. BTW, I'm not a Christian, I'm a Muslim. I know there will alsways be gays, even here in the Middle East. But I can't accept it becoming legalized. Starngely enough, I know gay people, and wouldn't you know it, they are both victims of their circumstances. A dead father. Abused durnig childhood. A girl, locked up her whole life. I feel for these people, I really do. But what they're doing is wrong. Just because you want to do soemthing, doesn't make it right. It is my understanding that homosexuality is forbidden in Juddaism, Christianity, and Islam. How anyone is going to support gay marriage when/if it clearly states these thing, I don't know. I mean, don't get me wrong. People make mistakes, people sin. I'm a Muslim, I drink, I used to smoke. But that's not on the same level as being gay, no way. But the way things are going on in the West, drinking and smoking is regular behavior, and homosexuality is entering that territory. What's next? Where do we draw the line? Everyone is trying to push the line further and further, fighting for whatever they want to do, regardless of whether it's right, and everyone's reason is that it's a free country. That people can do what they want, and everyone else should mind their own business. It's going to happen all over the world, but frankly, I'm glad I live in a place where these changes will take place much much later.
So what you're saying is you'd happily trade places with outlaw, then. outlaw, that's a disturbing story. Makes my stomach turn.
So if your son came out and told you he was gay, when he grows older, you wouldn't have a son anymore. That's kind of sad, I thought you were supposed to love your kids no matter what.
Sane, what if it is eventually poven that homosexuality is biological, would you tone down the hate? Allah is a flaming homosexual btw. “The white person has the right to say that God is white, and the black person also has the right to say that God is black. In fact, if you go to Africa, you’ll see that the Virgin Mary is black. If you don’t make the statue of the Virgin Mary black, it does not inspire people. Because to us the black people, “black is beautiful,” so a black person has the right to say that God is black, and in fact I also believe that God is black, but God is not only black, God is also white, God is also a flower. So when a lesbian thinks of her relationship with God, if she practices deeply, she can find out that God is also a lesbian. Otherwise how could you be there? God is a lesbian, that is what I think, and God is gay also. God is no less. God is a lesbian, but also a gay, a black a white, a chrysanthemum. It is because you don’t understand that, that you discriminate. “When you discriminate against the black or the white, or the flower, or the lesbian, you discriminate against God, which is the basic goodness in you. You create suffering all around you, and you create suffering within yourself, and it is delusion, ignorance, that is the basis of your action, your attitude of discrimination. If the people who are victims of discrimination practice looking deeply, they will say that I share the same wonderful relationship with God, I have no complex. Those who discriminate against me, do so because of their ignorance. “God, please forgive them, because they do not know what they are doing.” If you reach that kind of insight, you will no longer get angry at that person who discriminates against you, and you might have compassion toward him or her. You will say: “He does not know what he is doing. He is creating a lot of suffering around him and within him. I will try to help him.” So your heart opens like a flower and suffering is no longer there, you have no complex at all, and you turn to be a bodhisattva in helping the people who have been discriminating against you. That is the way I see it, out of my practice of looking deeply, so one day I made the statement that God is a lesbian, and this is my insight.” ~Thich Nhat Hanh
how about being able to visit your partner in the hospital? how about inheriting your partner's estate without hassle? how about not being forced to testify against your partner in court?
yeah i posted it in case someone here recognizes the sketch. hell these 4 guys could be members of this site for all i know. you would expect something like this in College Station but not Austin. Has anyone seen the 80's movie "The Boys Next Door" with Charlie Sheen? This incident sounds just like ia scene from that film.
Really the only problem I have w/gay marriage is if they get on equal footing w/heteros as far as adoption. I have no problem with gays adopting, I just think hetero couples should get first dibs. I have to assume that it would be a free-for-all eventually as gay marriage becomes more and more accepted. IMO a child is entitled to a mother and father. If a stable hetero couple isn't available, I'm all for a gay couple stepping in.
reading comprehension....its a good thing. he said earlier in the thread that he lives in the middle east and is muslim..
Whatever. Ofcourse I will try to give him MY advice, try and concince him to "wise up". But if nothing changes, I wouldn't consider him my son. You can call it sad or whatever you want, but I will not accept my son being gay. He'd be spitting at the worsd of God: What comes first, God or your children?
I doubt it will happen, and even if it did, I wouldn't believe it. However, I would really appreciate it if you didn't call Allah a homosexual. It's highly HIGHLY offensive. I can only imagine what would happen if someone said the same about a God from other religions.
You've got a point there. Maybe some other ID card/license thing can be arranged to grant gays these rights. But marriage is not some kind of pass to do the things you just mentioned.
Hey Sane, guess what? The Earth revolves around the Sun... I can say what I think is correct. Allah being gay is just that. Believe it or not, you have no monopoly on thought or "Allah". If you are offended by it, it is your problem. Many here are offended and saddened by your hatred. People from other religions would not be offended with calling Allah a homosexual because they understand the truth that lies within the statement. "Allah created everything, including man, and there is a distinction made between the creator and the creature. The creature is something created by Allah. When I look at a rose, a tulip, or a chrysanthemum, I know, I see, I think, that this flower is a creation of Allah. I also know that between the creator and the created there must be some kind of link, otherwise creation would not be possible. So the chrysanthemum can say that Allah is a flower, and I agree, because there must be the element “flower” in Allah so that the flower could become a reality. So the flower has the right to say that Allah is a flower." "When you judge people, you have no time to love them." -Mother Teresa
You CAN say whatever you want, I just ASKED you to be respectful. outlaw wanted to engage in a conversation about this, and I mentioned that my opinion may be offensive. This is not a name-calling contest. Whoever wrote that piece, btw, has a right to express his/her own opinion, but to a Muslim it's simply not true. It's a false statement. The entire thing.
