Caron is a very good player I see him do the dunk and hit tha homerun one time. Tracy is very sexy, but not very godd baseball player. Spoiler http://www.corrie.net/kabin/images/shaw_tracy22.jpg T-Mac 2008 Playoffs Stats PPG - 27.0 RPG - 8.20 APG - 6.8 EFF+ 24.00 Caron Butler 2008 Playoffs Stats PPG - 18.7 RPG - 5.70 APG3.8 EFF+ 19.00 Caron plays in the leastern conference. He also plays in a much faster paced run and gun system resulting in the bloated rebounds, points, and assist per game. You are the reason I hate visiting the GARM. McGrady is much much.....much better than Karon Buttler.
If you actually watch some basketball games instead of relying on statistics you can look up anywhere, you would already know what factors I'm talking about. If you don't know what these factors are, then continuing this discussion is a total waste of my time. You can't just throw a bunch of stats out and act like you're making points. You have to be able to interpret them. The only way to do that is to focus on the game itself. No computer can substitute for a pair of eyes.
Winner! Wow people hate Mcgrady so much that they're comparing him to Caron freakin Butler??? I had no idea people considered Caron a superstar. It's been posted many times, he's just a GOOD player while Mcgrady is a SUPERSTAR.
I was in class when I posted those stats, which eventhough they are just stats (I was actually the first one to express that they are just stats), it's contributed more to the conversation than you have, which has just been accusations that I don't watch basketball and blah blah blah. And in response to the part I bolded; you want me to do your argument for you? Maybe I should be accusing you of not watching basketball? I love Tracy, I'm glad he's on our team. He's a really great player. There's not much debate that he is better than Caron. But you people who think it's laughable to compare the two at all are the same people who think Steve Francis is going to drop 20ppg, Landry will be an All-Star this year, Brooks is the next Allen Iverson, etc... In other words, it doesn't hurt to put things into perspective once in a while and take off your Rockets goggles.
The Rockets considered talking Caron Butler or at least entertained the idea. And Caron thought there would be a good chance he would be drafted number 1. Caron, was very disapointed the Rockets didn't take him. But, I could see the Rockets liking his style of play. He after all has made 2 All-star teams. He is good. Caron basically said the Rockets made a mistake!!! Something to that degree. I also remember "Jeff"'s article to go for it all. When all the fans were falling for the ESPN bashathon of Yao Ming. Poor Yao was scrutinized so much that it appeared ESPN was laughing at him and any team silly enough to think he was worth a high draft pick. ESPN - the Eastcoast Sports Propaganda Network
Well, Yao was booed when he was drafted. To be honest, I was also skeptical about picking Yao but I never considered Caron at the time. I was really impressed with Jay Williams, thank god we didn't pick him since we had Francis already.
No, we are not talking about Francis, Landry, or Brooks. If you are going to use that argument then you are a waste of time and bandwidth. You don't get to throw out absurd statements and expect anyone besides Anti-Sonic to agree with them. You clearly stated Caron Butler is on the same level as Tracy McGrady. You are either severely overrating Caron because you don't get to see much of the Wiz, or you hate McGrady. It is that simple. And for the record, Francis is done with, Brooks will never be a starting PG in the NBA, and Landry has the potential to be an all-star if he didn't take any roids to get a fat contract, or if his knee doesn't blow out again.
Butler is a nice player and he's pretty smooth and refined. While Artest is more rough and unorthodox in his style and play. Both get the job done but ultimately the bottom line is that Butler at best is an all-star level talent. Ron Artest at best is a legit super-star talent with his ability to shut people down and take over games down the stretch. Artest > Butler
Equal at offence while Ron Ron is much better for defence . The only advantage Butler has over Ron is that he plays with Arenas but Ron plays with tmac who is simply shots waster and back court's black hole . Tmac may be a good player but his performance doesn't match his salary .Tmac is gonna be a superstar but he has never led his team further than the first round .I you intend to trade arenas for tamc ,I 'll accept your foolish trade offer without any hesitation .
Read, man. Other than that, you haven't provided any kind of coherent argument at all, so... I'm not sure what the point of your post was at all.
How could you even compare T-Mac with Caron Butler ?? Not near the class of T-Mac . Losing in the first-round making Tracy Mcgrady so underrated , but he's still on the same class with Kobe and Lebron , also better than Wade and Pierce individually . Please tell me can Kobe pass the first round last year without Yao , Rafer and a injured Battier if we had swap him with McGrady ? Please tell me what did Pierce do without Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett ? Wow. Man Pierce is nowhere near to Mcgrady's class . Cant you understand the advantages of playing in the same in the same team with Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett ? Put Jason Richardson next to these two guys and look what happens again . If they cant win it all with Ray-KG-Jrich trio I'll guarentee you they will be on the finals again . So much hate on McGrady these days , but every single hater is gonna eat their hat in this 2 years .
Ah, it's difficult to bring myself to respond to someone who has the punctuation of "Albert Einstein" but Kobe, LeBron, and Wade are all better than Tracy is at this point in time. Kobe and LeBron are pretty much universally accepted as "best basketball players on earth" right now. I would take Tracy over PP any day of the week though.
butler is a player, he does many things on the offensive side as well as the defensive side. caron > ron (offense) ron > caron (defense) overall ron > caron
whoa...Tmac is good but today?? Maybe 3 years ago. Comparing to Kobe and Lebron? Holy snap dude. Wade and Pierce I can see him on the same level as them but no way in hell is he on par with Kobe and Lebron. The dude can't even make FT's let alone he doesn't have the same drive. And its quite known Kobe has played more injured then Tmac attempted. I agree. Its not meant for a single star to take a team past the 1st round especially in the WC. But you cannot compare these two based on that. Tmac is good, but age and injuries have taken enough out of him to make him not the same player he was 3+ years ago.
If Wade or Pierce could carry our low talent lineup last season and have the best second half record of the season in the toughest conference, not to mention the toughest division, and get 50+ wins, I'll say they're better or at least at the same level as McGrady.
"Knicks fans have been depressed for the last 9 years that the team drafted Weis over him. " Being a NYCer this just reminds me how messed up the Knicks management are. Being a Rockets fan this really cracks me up. Can't believe we have both of them on the team now lol.
LOL now you're just backtracking from your original comments: You were already wrong that the gap would be smaller. T-Mac is clearly in a higher tier than Butler. Butler vs Artest isn't nearly as lopsided a debate as Butler vs T-Mac. At least the original comparison was fairly reasonable and worth discussing. The only point you've tried to make for T-Mac vs Butler were some stats, only for you to dismiss your only point by saying they're "just stats". The fact that you think it isn't laughable to compare T-Mac to Butler says A LOT. You definitely don't have to be a homer to tell that Tracy significantly better than him. You tell me to take off my Rocket red goggles, and I tell you to put on some glasses.
43 wins in the Leastern Conference? Yup that's comparable to Tracy's 50+ wins each year Yao has went down in the Western Conference...
