Precisely. Seems that most trades involve a 3rd team. So even on the off-chance that we would pursue Garnett, if we did, I would think Steve would be the bait, and there would be a 3rd team (in the East) involved. We wouldn't send Steve to Minnesota; it would be akin to returning him to Vancouver, if the Grizz were, hypothetically, still located there.
NIKEstrad, If your scenario is accurate then I just don’t see how the Rockets could not pursue this. KG is easily worth Francis, EG, Rice and Cato. I agree that KG and Yao Ming would likely overtake Webber and Divac as the best duo of passing big men in the league. Couple that with the fact that both men are legitimate big time scoring threats and we have what might be the best offensive front court in the league. What do you think of the defense a front line of Yao Ming, Kevin Garnett and James Posey could bring? I think we could really force teams to beat us from the outside all year.
SF, EG, GR, KC, AND TERENCE MORRIS for KG AND TROY HUDSON! Yao Ming and Kevin Garnett would be the best frontcourt in the NBA for at least 10 years. On offense......well Rudy will have to create a new system. But Garnett already makes Nesterovic....who is like Collier...look very good.....Garnett and Yao? That would be awesome. We wouldn't even need Posey...Nachbar could start.. That would be a great...dream. Hudson/Moochie Mobley/Posey/Nachbar/Hawkins Nachar/Garnett/Posey Garnett/Taylor Yao/Garnett/Collier or Nesterovic
So much have been said about Min-Chi or Min-Hou trades, but I still don't see why Min will do either. They have to give up KG, and possibly Hudston. In return, they either pick up a lossing team (even in east conference), Chicago, or they pick up a lossing team Houston without its center piece, Yao. It got to be a three-way trade. Besides, can we really afford KG? Can we pay Yao max if we give kG a big contract? I highly doubt it.
i think we should keep eddie griffin and trade nachbar. even though many of you might disagree, we have to remember that kg usually plays the 3. imagine a frontcourt of ming, griffin, and garnett! no team could enter the paint, ever. some will argue that nachbar might pan out while griffin is a bust. right now, given that the offense will run through yao, i don't mind if griff just sits on the perimeter and hits 3's, ala robert horry, and plays good d. having this lineup below would be sick because we'd get garnett and a good pg that we've been looking for. and minnesota gets respectable players (imo). i just don't know if minnesota would agree, or if they'd have to (if kg threatens to bolt)... pg - troy hudson, moochie, tmo sg - sf, posey, hawkins sf - kg pf - eddie griffin c - ming, marc jackson, collier include a first rounder for minnesota to sweeten the deal up... Houston trades: PG Tito Maddox (1.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.6 apg in 3.9 minutes) SF Bostjan Nachbar (2.1 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.5 minutes) SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 41.7 minutes) C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.1 minutes) PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes) SF Glen Rice (9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.7 minutes) Houston receives: PG Troy Hudson (14.2 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 5.7 apg in 32.9 minutes) PF Marc Jackson (5.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.5 minutes) SF Kevin Garnett (23.0 ppg, 13.4 rpg, 6.0 apg in 40.5 minutes) Change in team outlook: 0.0 ppg, +0.9 rpg, and +6.1 apg. Minnesota trades: PG Troy Hudson (14.2 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 5.7 apg in 32.9 minutes) PF Marc Jackson (5.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.5 minutes) SF Kevin Garnett (23.0 ppg, 13.4 rpg, 6.0 apg in 40.5 minutes) Minnesota receives: PG Tito Maddox (1.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.6 apg in 9 games) SF Bostjan Nachbar (2.1 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 14 games) SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 73 games) C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 73 games) PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 67 games) SF Glen Rice (9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 62 games) Change in team outlook: 0.0 ppg, -0.9 rpg, and -6.1 apg.
The only way that we could possibly get Garnett would be by including Yao in a package and that shouldn't and probably won't happen.
Are you on drugs? Why is it so hard for peep to understand that these ideas are ridiculous?!! Let me propose a trade and see if you don't laugh at it the way Minn. is lauging at yours. Gill, Nesterovic, Peeler, Smith, Szerbiak, Trent for Steve, Yao and Cato. That is right, they'd love to have Steve, Hudson, Yao and KG playing for them as much as you want them for Houston.
Yao, if it was a 2-way trade. NO WAY IN HELL THIS WOULD HAPPEN. EVER. Yao won't go anywhere. Steve, if it was a 3-way trade. More likely to go than Yao, but not likely.
The Gary Payton comment was silly and that was just a wet dream but the concept is what is important. Look at the Lakers, they made their run with two excellent players and some role players around them. If we had a Yao-Garnett frontcourt, we would develop a team to capitalize on those strengths. We would still have MoTaylor who would fit in amazingly with Yao and Garnett with his mid range shot and lack of rebounding prowess to make a daunting front line. The MCE could, as you said, be split amongst a few veterans that can shoot like the ones you mentioned. Thats basically if we traded Garnett / Hudson and change for Francis, Cat, Cato and Griffin I STILL feel that Francis, Cat, Cato and Griffin is a superior deal rather than JayWill, Chandler, Fizer, Rose and Draft pick (#6 probably). Unless they jump into the top three slots in the draft and can get a LeBron, Carmelo or Milicic, i don't see that deal as better than ours. And if Chicago does get one of those 3 top picks they may not even do the trade to Minn. FA/ Troy Hudson/ Mooch Posey / Troy Hudson Garnett Nachbar Morris MoTaylor Garnett Morris Yao Collier Garnett (against smaller teams) FA's: Like you said MManal, Reggie, Steve Smith, Steve Kerr, Jon Barry and others would jump at a chance to play with two damn unselfish guys in Yao and Garnett. I think that we could even pick up a Jeff McInnis or Chris Whitney as a point guard with limited creating ability but a great mid-range jump shot. (I think they're free agents) or an Antonio Daniels for some athletic defense and hustle.
I have heard for the past five years or so that KG wants to come play for Rudy and Rudy wants KG. I have to agree reluctantly that there is no way in hades that minnesota is going to let KG come to Houston. It would spell the end to their future playoff hopes. Houston would take their spot in the playoffs. So in saying that if we are going to dream why not dream big. I have heard on these boards of a Mobley and Griffen (Cato) swap for Brand (who also wouldn`t mind playing here). Then what we would do is trade Stevie, Griffen , MoT (Cato) 2 first rounders and whatever else for KG. Brand can play the 4 spot (he like to be in the basket area) and play KG in the 3 spot (he likes to play away from the basket. I know this sounds stupid with the cap and all but you could fill in the rest of the roster with cheap cba players or good defensive (passing) scrubs who can defend the 3-point shots (cause thats all the other team will have) - who cares. Hey, when I dream I dream BIG. Like I said before Minnesota will trade KG to Chicago just to keep him outta Houston. They already have two Texas teams they can`t quite beat. I think one or the other of these guys will be key for the Rockets. Malone would be interesting, but I would rather have Brand and/or (lol) Garnett.
I was just on the Minnesota fan board. Theres alot of talk about trading KG. Too bad its mostly with Chicago. I still like Ming as the 5 Brand as the 4 and Garnett as the 3 and then who cares about Duncan, Robinson and whoever or Shaq , Malone andwhatever. We would win the next 10 NBA championships. I don`t think it is impossible except for the fact Minnesota will never allow it but the Rocks have surprised me before.
Here's another possible wrinkle I thought of to alleviate the concern of Steve Francis not wanting to play in Minnesota. The talk ofcourse (whether true or not) seems to indicate that Steve wants to go to an Eastern Conference team where he can be the #1 scorer. Washington has been already mentioned by Roxtxia, but I just realized that Detroit is also a very good possibility to engineer a three way deal. The Pistons have about 7 mil cap room to fit Steve's BYC plus they have a lottery pick in this draft coming from Memphis. Would the Pistons be willing to part with R Hamilton, C Robinson and that lottery pick to get Steve? Also, some deviation of that deal could be made with the principles being Hamilton and the lottery pick. Its obvious the Pistons could use an electrifying offensive talent like Steve to push them over the top in the East. This would mean that the Wolves would receive for Garnett and Hudson: Griffin, Mobley, Cato, Hamilton, Robinson, Rice plus a top 7 draft pick. That one no question is head and shoulders above anything Chicago is offering. Two 20 PPG type scorers in Mobley and Hamilton, two solid frontcourt talents in Robinson and Cato, a young player with loads of potential in EG, plus a top 7 draft pick. Kevin McHale would be stupid to turn down this type of offer even if KG is going in conference. Also, FD, with KG's incredible versatility as you pointed out, the Rockets could run a devastating frontline at times with Yao, Mo T and KG. That lineup could do some serious damage.
Why would Garnett want to come here if Steve and Cat are gone? Also, Robinson just signed an extension because he loves playing in Detroit. I don't see him being included. Rip and Cat play the same position, why would Minnesota want both? To trade right? How come Steve can decide where he is going, but Cat, Rip... cannot? Trading Steve, Cat, .... for a player that will be traded to Houston ONLY IF he demands a trade to Houston would not be a professional job of negotiating on the part of the Rockets. IF GARNETT ASKS TO BE TRADED TO HOUSTON THEN WE HAVE THE LEVERAGE, NOT MINNESOTA. IF GARNETT DOES NOT DEMAND A TRADE TO HOUSTON, THEN HE WILL NOT BE IN A ROCKETS UNIFORM NEXT YEAR. GARNETT WILL NOT WANT TO BE A ROCKET WITHOUT STEVE AND DEFINITELY NOT WITHOUT STEVE AND CAT!!!!
1. Rudy. Garnett gave him high praise at the Olympics. 2. Yao. I don't know KG's opinion of Yao, but no way would it be a bad opinion. 3. Cat. I don't think to acquire Garnett would cost us Cat. He would cost us Steve. So, basically, KG would still be playing for a coach he likes, he'd still have a worthy sidekick (Cat, who he'd like better than Wally Disturbiak, whose teammates dislike) and would gain an All Star center. I wish Doc Rocket or Oeilpere would come in here and say, Forget Garnett, ain't happenin'. 'Cause we might KNOW it, or be resigned to it; but until someone From On High says so...
Mumu, The point you keep missing is that KG is not going to simply say, I will only play for Team X. Garnett is a tad more classy than that and wouldnt put the Wolves in such a terrible situation. Its more than likely that Garnett will give a short list of teams which would likely include Chicago and Houston. I am not necessarily saying the Rockets must deal Steve and Cat to get Garnett, Im just going along with what FD brought up and posing the question, would we do this deal. Also, on the three way with Detroit, I just threw out Robinson's name, there are other possibilities, the key to the deal is Hamilton and that lottery pick. Its very possible that McHale may be willing to accept Hamilton, Griffin, Cato, Rice plus Detroit's lotto pick and maybe one other role player thrown in for KG. The point of this thread is to throw out logical posibilities; there is no point in throwing out pipedreams like Mobley/Griff for KG that have a slim to none chance of happening. We all know we would make that trade, we are trying to discuss more difficult decisions. Also, the reason I brought up the 3 way idea is b/c Roxtxia mentioned a very logical point. What if Kevin McHale doesnt want Francis? This is a very possible scenario esp since McHale went through this same charade with Marbury and could not keep him. Maybe McHale is ok with him, who knows? The point is to throw out scenarios.
Sean Deveney of TSN (don't lock the thread!!!) mentions that KG's problems in re-signing with Minnesota are primarily over $$$. KG wants a ton of it. So if that's true, I don't know if he'd take a lesser contract; and who wants to grandfather in a contract starting at $30 million or so?
