If we play "Garbage Ball" & whupped their butts, then they must be playing "Gutter Ball". ------------------
If it scores points, its good offense. Period. ------------------ "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning how to put food on their family while being put to death."
All the announcers in this league take shots at the Rockets and their offense. I heard Minnesota's announcer saying that the recent home losses to the grizzlies and Rockets really hurt, but he could understand them losing to a decent Indiana team. The jackass basically put the Rockets in the same class as the Grizzlies, and gave credit to an inferior team, in the Pacers.All of these guys have a perception about the Rockets offense and don't see that our offense is not all ISO. I love the play where the ball is up top, and Shandon sets a pick for one of our big men, then catches the defense sleeping and gets the ball on the cut. HP, you know the name of that play? I also like the play where Walt and someone else set a double pick for Dream I think, and then Walt pops up top for the shot. Is that the play called Y zip? ------------------ [This message has been edited by tacoma park legend (edited March 02, 2001).]
Gary Gerald of the Kings is by far one of the best Radio Play-by-Play men . Will never rip a team that the Kings are beating or losing to . ------------------
Did anyone catch the Bucks announcers comments on that play where Steve Francis was isoing against Lindsey Hunter? "Now Lindsey Hunter can stay with Steve Francis." ROFL! ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
Generally speaking, anything new and good is called Garbage at first because its a threat. Beatles. Kennedy. Civil Rights, etc. Not to overstate it, but its kind of a good sign. No one calls the Warriors "Garbage Basketball" -- its just "bad basektball." Get the difference? Things that have also been called Garbage Basketball: Michael Jordan early in his career Rockets defense-based 1994 Championship Charles Barkley's low post big-butt-ball The ABA Dunking in general Personally, i love "Garbage Basketball," I consider it a compliment from fake-tan plastic surgeried, no-sense-of-humor white dudes who have never played the sport. (Worrell, dont worry, you have a sense of humor, so we're cool. CBFC holds you and Murph in high regard, baby.) Hail Garbage Basketball, we'll take it to the Finals within three years. That could be the nickname for our style of play, as far as I am concerned. I hope it catches on. Go Garbagemen CBFC ------------------ Join the Chucky Brown Fan Club
one thing you have to admit about Milwaukee (though I didn't watch last night's game) is that the Bucks offense is built on ball movement and finding the open man. Remember that George Karl -- regardless of what he said in the postgame -- has been one of the league's biggest proponents of eliminating illegal defense rules and has often spoken out against isolation tactics. The Bucks announcers, I'm sure, feel the same way. I saw the Bucks take out the Knicks last month, and even the Knicks announcers were commenting on how crisp the Bucks offense was and how their players were constantly moving without the ball. Milwaukee won't go anywhere with that defense though. ------------------
I know this is unbelievable but I can remember Wilt, Dr J, and Kareem being characterized by some announcers as " bad for the game". They were too dominating, too singly responsible for the outcome. Uh, huh. Right. I have listened to (supposedly intelligent) play-by-play and color commentators describe the mere domination by a team's strength ( LA's Showtime Flash, Piston's Slash and Burn Defense, even Utah's plodding Pick and Role) as "bad for the game". Although this was expressed by different announcers over different timespans and under different conditions, their collective reasoning was that it affected overall league parity, or it forced the other teams to into defensive or offensive structures that were "NOT entertaining enough". Uh,Huh. Right. The culmination of all this baloney is that the teams mentioned kept playing (hell Utah still plays) the type of game that wins until someone develops a consistent way to stiop them. To me that is what the game is all about. If our isos are winning us a competitive edge, then play it till someone makes it a liability for us, then go to something else. If you can't beat a play structure that you KNOW coming into the game that you must face .... well what does that say about your team. Gee. Uh, Huh. Right. My thoughts exactly. TS,whiner. ------------------
I could care less what the other announcers said. So what! Now, if it were Bill and Calvin saying it...then it would be news. I don't hold NBA announcers to stringent standards as it appears most of you do. It's not like they have say things that have to conform to what every Rocket fan feels and thinks. Get over it! The bottom line is whatever you want to call it...it was nothing but a pure butt kicking so of course they are going to be a little perturbed. Surf ------------------
Fortunately, I was able to watch the game on FSS, so I was listening to Bill and Calvin. But it is easy to see how frustrating it must have been for the Bucks announcers to watch. His team was getting taken apart by an offense he diapproves of. Understandable. But the only "garbage basketball" i saw was the Bucks' defense. It seemed like a lot of illegal D wasn't getting called. And while we're on the subject of respect, during the game highlights this morning on Sportscenter, Rudy T was referred to as "one of the best coaches in the league." ------------------ Kenny Thomas had a foul called on him in the Western Conference Finals.
Haven, the Jazz don't run motion, but I do understand many people in the media say that. They run a Flex based on a two-man game. We are doing very similar things when we don't go ISO. Flex systems are noted for ball movement and originated in the pre-Motion days, when the Triangle and Wooden-ball was invented. Motion is noted for player movement. There is a big difference between ball movement and player motion. Motion (as we think of it today) was invented by Bobby Knight the year college started allowing screens. Can you believe that screens where not legal until 1971? I prefer 24 high to 2 shakes, because it places big men on both sides of the lane. I also see sets that start with a guard out-front for the sole purpose of swinging to a weak-side options. (These, I don't know the names of and find it hard to draw up without seeing several tapes.) I continue to be amazed how several coaches are saying we only do one-on-one, like Karl did. Granted, last night Karl saw a bunch of 2 Shakes like in our first game. But I believe that can be attributed to Mo' feeling tight and Mobley being out. Against Porland, we ran pnr after pnr. Go check Mobley's assists stats over the last month. It is pretty impossible for him to get an assist when his ISOs are doubled, because he is two passes away from an open man. The increase in assists we see is due to 24 High and some more complicated weak-side Flex-es to Mo' being run more, and the team getting their timing down to know exactly how to execute them before the Defense closes. What this team is specifically suited for is a 4 out 1 Flex where everything starts with 4 guys on the perimeter. Iowa State ran this with Fizer and their 3 great guards, and Arkansas with Corliss, Day and Mayberry. I believe UNLV ran it with Johnson (though I'm not confident of that). This offensive system does not mean ISOs per se. The PF (or C) can be a major factor, as you can see from Fizer's productivity and Corliss. The key to success is still to make the big man more effective. There are several ways to do this, but for another thread. Bottomline to you questions is: Yes, we should move away for the clearouts. I believe this whole streak is an indication that we are. DaDakota always says basketball is simple, and Xs and Os are overrated--just play. I agree with that. Xs and Os are far more important to football that basketball. Timing and team coordination, however, is often assumed to be easier than it is. The best Triple Option coaches in football teach timing and reads more than Xs and Os. One way I like to explain it is comparing it to Ballroom dancing. Anyone can show you where to put your feet, but two people have to develop proper timing to really execute choreographed maneuvers. That is team chemistry. The players must play together overtime under a system agreement for timing to develop. They can't bicker over the system. Now, as many people say, Rudy could have never done the ISOs and just gone straight to the more sophistated 2-man version of the 4 out 1 Flex, which is quite similar to Utah's offense. I believe he consciously chose not to, because 2 Shakes is far easier to execute when a team hasn't played together for awhile, and WE DIDN'T HAVE A CENTER for over a month. Yet, I do believe his goal is to add more things over time. I think we are seeing a more sophisticated offense, since we got our center back, and put Mo' back to PF. I hope to see more.
quote: "These are not the first guys to say bad things about the Rocket offense on the air, and they won't be the last. The object is to win games, and if "Garbage Ball" wins, then so be it. It really doesn't matter what other teams announcers think or say. " I'll have to agree with this statement, he he, as long as we win, and, from the looks of the upcoming schedule, it looks like we will win quite a few of these games.. ------------------ against all odds
hey folks... this is my first post i am getting tired of our Rockets not getting and props from the media. i think we are one of the hottest teams in the NBA and one would expect to get more respect for that. Oh well.... Our time will come when the Rockets win the championship! ------------------
