Gang-Raped Victim in Saudi Arabia gets 90 Lashes, Some Rapists get 10 Months

from the land of arabia...

the real arab news (not faux)

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=13&section=0&article=89998&d=14&m=12&y=2006

 

If the people that elected the parliment are free and there is no over riding religious council above the elected officiails...yes.

DD

 

what if those people chose to elect a religious council?
or like the example in palestine, chose to elect hamas?

 

Really? You know what else is funny? The scale and scope of attacks by the Muslims, granted not all of them.

Which one among the Tamils, the IRA, the ETA, etc can claim the scope and magnitude of attacks going on in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. And what about the over two thousand cases of terrorist attacks in Western China by Uyghur terrorists, although admittedly these are relatively small fry by Iraq standards.

What about the Libyan bombing of that plane up in Britain in the 80's. And certainly September 11 took place before Dubya went in place guns blazin'.

Know what else is the problem? The Tamils have a problem with the Sri Lankan government, the ETA is trying to separate from Spain, the IRA would love to stick it to the British, etc, but how many of them carried terrorist attacks outside areas of their political interest? When's the last time the IRA assassinated somebody in say... Italy?

Certain Muslim groups however, have a problem with everybody. It's not only the Americans and British that don't like them. The Chinese have a problem with them. The Russians have a problem with them. As do the French, Italians, German, Jew not only limited to Israel, Indians, (for the lack of better term) non Muslim Africans, etc. They even have a problem with each other. No other group of people committ terrorist attacks on nearly the same scale or scope as certain Muslims.

But this isn't a lecture on who did what. Know what I have a problem with? Denial. Now, you can very well come to me and tell me that many Muslims are nice, normal, peaceful people, and I'd agree.

But don't come up with crap like Islam is peaceful and those that carry out terrorist attacks aren't Muslims.

 

Are all the priests that rape little boys and have sex with them christian?
Yes.

Does christianity preach this?
no.

similar to What happens with islam, but not obeying some aspects of the islamic religion throws people OUTSIDE the fold of islam and hence some people label them as NON muslims...

 

The only difference is the percentage factor of people involved.

 

It's so funny to see how easy it is for people to condemn another culture. Sure it appears horrible to us, and I'm sure it might be to many Muslims. But this is a story designed to provoke a reaction as well. They aren't barbarians living in the stone age there, but that sure does sell a story to portray them that way.

It's much easier to judge and dismiss then to compredend isn't it? Frankly, I think the woman shouldn't cry about the 90 lashes. It might be an insane law from our perspective, but it is the law, she knew about it, and yet she went off and met this man alone. She could have told her parents when he called, or let the authorities know about the blackmail as soon as something suspicious was going on. She might have had a prior relation that she was trying to hid ya know? But that's speculative.

Maybe she's not so innocent in this regards as she pretends to be. Although clearly the gang rape is a vile crime.

Anyway, I couldn't resist. Sorry, I'm done now. For sure.

 

That doesn't make it right or even humane.

What if it was your daughter?

 

That doesn't make it right or even humane.

What if it was your daughter, sister, mother, or someone that you actually loved?

 

Yes they are barbarians living in the stone age.

Frankly, I think you are a dumbass for saying this.

Not only is it speculative, it is also amazingly dumb, even for your standards.

 

This is f'd up.

You're supposed to die if you rape, according to sharia.

 

Jackie, we can agree on something besides basketball!



D&D. The Cutting Edge of Societal Devolution.

 

I think he is trying to play devil's advocate here, this is a discussion board after all, why call him childish names?



http://www.jannah.org/morearticles/4.html
This guy tries to explain Sharia law, a good read - well at least I thought so, gave me a better perspective.




This article gives a better idea of what happened with that girl...she is appealing, has not got the lashes as of yet. I'm assuming the general public outrage will get them to re-examine the ruling.

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=88865&d=16&m=11&y=2006

Rape: Who Gets Punished and Who Does Not?
Abeer Mishkhas, abeermishkhas@arabnews.com

Last week the Arabic daily Okaz carried a story on two more rape cases in Qatif. One of them involved a 17-year-old boy who was dragged into a field by two men and raped. The atrocity was also filmed. The two rapists then attempted to assault another young man who managed to escape and go to the police. The two men were eventually caught and are now awaiting trial.

These two crimes follow the famous rape case known in Saudi Arabia as the “Qatif Girl” incident which was a top news story a few months ago. For those who don’t know, it was the gang rape of a girl in Qatif who called for help and when a man attempted to help her, he was beaten up and raped as well. The sentences, as reported by Arab News, were “Four of the seven men have been sent to jail for periods ranging from one to five years and will be given 80 to 1,000 lashes.” In addition, “The court also sentenced the woman and the man she was meeting to 90 lashes for having met in private. The security source from the Eastern Province said, ‘The judge sentenced the girl and the man to 90 lashes because they were alone with the intention of doing something bad. Because of that, they will be punished.’” Relatives of the woman said that they would appeal the 90-lash-sentence.

The subsequent outcry and debate after the sentence is worth considering — especially in light of a sentence in another famous rape case in Riyadh a few years ago. A girl was set up by a former boyfriend and raped by the boyfriend’s Nigerian driver. The rape was filmed by another friend of the boyfriend. The man who filmed the attack was sentenced to 12 years and 1,200 lashes. The Nigerian rapist was given 6 years and 600 lashes and the former boyfriend who arranged everything got only 2 years and 200 lashes. Now, there is a big discrepancy here. The men in Qatif were sentenced to from 1 to 5 years. What is the difference in the two cases? The girl in the Riyadh case was not punished though she had been involved earlier with one of the men. The Qatif girl was sentenced to 90 lashes because the court suspected the “intention of doing something bad.”

I certainly am not suggesting that the Riyadh girl be punished; what I am doing is wondering about the different sentences. In following this up, we can ask another question: Are people punished for nothing more than “intentions” and suspicions? And how did the court in Qatif know that the girl intended to do “something bad”? The girl denied this accusation and said he was a total stranger who came to help her. What possible foundation for punishment is there here? If the two of them had been walking down a street and there was no proven case of adultery, then there is no law which can punish them. Even under Islamic law, people are not punished for intentions and suspicions.

In a well-known episode from Islamic history, Omar ibn Al-Khattab, the second caliph, was patrolling the streets of Madinah and saw a couple committing adultery in a deserted place. He did not stop them; he went back to his council and proposed bringing them in for punishment. Ali ibn Abu Taleb opposed the idea immediately and asked the caliph where the evidence and witnesses were. There could be no prosecution with neither. He told Omar, “Either you provide witnesses or we must punish you for slandering the couple.” The case was dropped even though the caliph knew the couple had committed a sin.

In a comment on the Al-Arabiyah website, a writer enumerated a variety of punishments in rape cases. He asked the Ministry of Justice to have a clear set of laws and punishments for such crimes so that people would not be puzzled at the light sentences in some cases and heavy ones in others. This is a very reasonable request and one which the ministry should agree to and all responsible Muslims should join the writer in requesting.

 

Why are you blaming the victim. She is innocent. She should complain about the 90 lashes, because that isn't justice, and it doesn't matter what culture we are talking about.

There is something that much of the world is engaged in and trying to progress towards, its called enlightenment.

 

I think that this was one of those messed up cases where teh judge may have been corrupt or may have maken a mistake in the ruling. She should get pardoned by the king. Its like the substitute who was about to get 40 yrs for a popup... The law is messed up sometimes, and you have to bend it to EACH situation differently

 

Out of a conservative number of 1.3 billion Muslims, what percentage of that people are involved?

 

That sounds super too.

 

Not all laws are just. But in life, you have a choice to act against unjust laws. But that doesn't excuse you from the punishment. If you break a law aware of the consequences, then you should be prepared to accept them. The law was not to get into a car with a strange man - hell, that's just a stupid thing to do in any culture these days. She's lucky she didn't get killed by these men or held for ransom. She broke the law and must be prepared to accept the consequences instead of crying about it. It's one thing to get press to show how unjust it is, but to cower from it and say it's unfair? Please, unfair? Maybe she should have thought about it before deciding to meet this guy at a Mall. A mall! Sure, that's not a big deal here - but we're talking about a place where women just don't do that it's consider extremely unusual....if not dangerous.

 

Not blaming the victim - just saying the victim isn't as innocent as you claim. She knowling broke a law - just or unjust - and should be prepared to accept the consequences. She is not being punished because she is raped, but because she broke a law.

If you go into a store and rob a bank, and then you are walking out of the store and a car does a hit and run on you....that doesn't excuse you from having broken a law. You might be the victim of one crime, but still guilty of committing another.

Now - we shouldn't be here looking down on a society as more primitive when we have a lot of horrid things going on in our own back yard. It's easy to sit here and speak about what a backwards culture that place is....but it's much harder to keep an open mind and consider a different perspective. Guess it's easier for you to just accept a mainstream view and not question. And you speak about enlightenment! I love the irony....

 

This is why I wanted to get out of D&D - it's not about fostering debate or discussion - it's just about people spewing forth their rigid opinions and hurling slurs at others to prop up thier fragile view of themselves. Not all here, but most.

I should have never taken a peak back here! I'm just a Rockets fan now, nothing more.