Gang-Raped Victim in Saudi Arabia gets 90 Lashes, Some Rapists get 10 Months

Fair enough Tiger.

However, I would argue that while your argument that there is no "prime" representative is acceptable, Saudi is certainly a representative nonetheless.

As for why I would not think of Pakistan or Indonesia, they are just as ass-backwards as Saudi Arabia, only without the holy cities.

 

Indonesia who had a female prime-minister isn't as backwards as SA. They do have plenty of problems, slaughters, and the like, but their legal system and idea of equity isn't as backwards as SA.

 

Acknowledged.

 

You are absolutely correct.

 

It's 'a' representative, yes.

Well, Pakistan as a whole is a contradiction, it just depends what part of the country you're talking about (e.g. the larger cities are more progressive, you see a lot of Western influence etc., while the country side is rather traditional and tribal in nature).

I am not sure Indonesia as a whole is more 'backwards' than Saudi considering that they are a democracy and they elected a Muslim woman as their president for consecutive terms. Sure, they have some extremists in their midst (who doesn't in that part of the world), but as a country that has considerably more 'moderate' than extremist influence I think it's unfair to label it as the equivalent of Pakistan or Saudi.

By and large, Indonesia is a moderate society that is struggling with some extremist elements in their midst (sadly, Wahhabism is creeping in slowly but surely); but the extremists are still a vast minority.

 

There is no such thing as a true Islamic state in the world today.

This thing is disgusting and news of it has been causing major uproar in the gulf region. I would like to see the jusge come to the same ruling if his sister or daughter was the victim. As someone put it earlier, barabaric.

 

Nor should there ever be.

DD

 

Normally I try not to involve in things as this, but I do find certain things funny.

It always appear that people try their damnest to associate all positive qualities with themselves while denying every nuance of negatives, no matter how large or small. We are seeing a prime example of that right now.

Wahabism or whatever isn't Islam? Hardly matters. Some (actually quite a few it seems) interpret it that way. The Saudis can just as well interpret your more "liberal" version of Islam is wrong, because it is still, YOUR INTERPRETATION. Like it or not, such barbaric actions are still very much a part of Islam, whether you like it or not.

Another example: there are those that will say not all Muslims are terrorists. That is all fine and good and certainly true. But on the other hand, 99% of terrorists ARE MUSLIMS. Like it or not, IT IS a Muslim problem.

 

I'm not naive, tiger. I think there should be a limit, however, to just how hypocritical our foreign policy should be in regards to those values this country supposedly stands for. China, for example, has opened up it's society a great deal in recent years. She is one of our largest trading partners. Is her government "ideal," as far as we in the States might wish it? No, but our own government has a lot of warts as well. We are "engaged" with China. Saudi Arabia, however, has supported extremists who are actively attacking our interests. Her internal system of government allows women less freedom than those in China, IMO. If we ever say anything about it, we get a big "**** you!" in return, while we buy their oil. The ultimate solution is to wean ourselves from our dependence on Saudi oil. Then we can give them a "**** you" back, without dire economic ramifications.

In the mean time, I think we can make protests at forums like the UN regarding Saudi treatment of women. If we had a different President. One with brains.


D&D. Fruit Bats.

 

So Israel is cool?

 

So what you're saying is that we SHOULD stereotype. Excellent, gotcha.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the people who blow up abortion clinics, the KKK and Nazis in general. Enlighten me.

 

I can feel a disturbance in the Force. It's calling for HayesStreet.

 

That might come as a surprise to people in Sri Lanka, Northern Spain and Columbia.

 

Absolutely not if it is based upon the Torah rather than the rule of law, with elections etc.

Is Israel based upon the Torah, or is there a parlimentary type of group running the country? You know, elected officials?

DD

 

Don't forget Northern Ireland.....until just recently.

DD

 

So if there's an elected parliament then it's not a dictatorship, is that what you're saying?

 

Oh and yes, Muslims do have a problem controlling extremists from their religion so until either:

a) Muslims find a way to control them
b) The rest of the world helps control them

they will be around.


Sorry we're not loaded with the resources to do so. Muslims/Arabs die in suicide bombings too you know.

 

I love the pseudo and quite frankly pretentious political correctness.

Stereotype? I think it has more to do with certain groups whitewashing certain actions of certain members of such groups. Telling them not to do it is not the opposite of stereotype, which apparently you cannot tell.

Really? Are we talking about the women's rights problem or the terrorism problem? How frequently are terrorist attacks in Sri Lanka (which granted, isn't as safe a place could be), Northern Spain and Columbia (which is known more for its drug problems) compared to certain parts of the Muslim world?

Randomly pulling out small fry events doesn't help make your point.

 

Thats funny, because Terrorist attacks rarely took place in the Muslim world before the Bush wars(aside from Palestine, which is a whole different issue)... The only few I can think of are in Khobar American Compound, and Yemen...

On the other hand the Tamil tigers have been going at it full on since the early 90's... Just because our media doesn't cover their terrorism nearly as much as it does the current situation in Iraq and Afghanistan doesnt mean that it is nonexistent or a fraction of the total terrorist actions going on in the world.