Gang-Raped Victim in Saudi Arabia gets 90 Lashes, Some Rapists get 10 Months

But stupidity doesn't deserve cruel punishment.

 

You will also recive lashes for dancing, having a Bible, or literature for other religions. It is a pretty messed up place. Allah's love = slashing humans backs to ribbons and pools of blood. No thank you.

 

you have facts to back up the lashes for dancing, having a bible, or other non islamic literature?

 

http://washingtontimes.com/world/20051114-015138-3548r.htm

Saudi jailed for discussing the Bible

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/

20 face lashes for dancing in Saudi Arabia

 

Just saying that the punishment is in line with our own country.

Should rape be more years? Certainly you won't get much argument here - some might disagree. How does one assign prison time based on the tramua and emotional pain they cause another? I don't know to be honest.

 

It is disturbing how you spin the second story into lashes for dancing. Didn't mention alcohol consumption (which is just as bad as using coke in our society).

You know, we have laws that others don't get. We have states with anti-sodomy laws that include homosexual acts.

To other people in the world, this is insanely rigid and unjust.

In a country where alcohol is not allowed, nor social mingling of the opposite sex, it's interesting to see you spin it as "lashes for dancing".

That kind of speech - designed to show how ridiculous one side is - has no other purpose but to find other's reinforcing jingoistic views I suspect.

 

cruel by whose standards?

And ignorance is no excuse of a law - nor stupidity.

If you go into an airport and yell "bomb" for a joke - guess what, you're going to go to jail and land in a big trouble. Oh but wait - stupidity shouldn't get you in big trouble right? haha - it was just stupid - foolish person, let him go right?

Nope. Stupidity isn't an excuse.

 

I said stupidity shouldn't be punished by nearly 100 lashes. I didn't say it wouldn't get you in trouble. It will almost always get you in trouble. But any system which has a code of laws and legal system shouldn't punish it by physical lashes.

 

Sorry, but it is the title of the article. I didn't spin anything.

 

having a bible? or preaching against islam?
lashes for dancing or having alcohol, drinking, arranging for impudent party, mixed dancing????

there is a difference in what you say and what those articles state...

 

but you didnt read either... good job

 

I really wish I could at least understand what you are trying to defend.


http://www.domini.org/openbook/sau20020520.htm

The men were caught in possession of a Bible and some Christian CDs
(including a gospel of Luke and two Christian music CDs) when police raided
their room on March 29 2001 in Abqaiq, about 350km north-east of Riyadh.

A local court sentenced them to a month's imprisonment in April 2001 and a
higher court increased their sentence to include 150 lashes in January 2002.
De Guzman told CSW today that he was not given a lawyer and that only his
company liason officer was present during the hearings.


This might be a good read:
Human rights in Saudi Arabia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

 

We should pass a law, that every time the Saudis give lashes for a girl getting in the car, the USA kills a Saudi Prince.

I mean, it is a law, right New Yorker?

DD

 

Stupidity shouldn't be punished? So if someone claims stupidity - the court should show lenciency and mercy?

So if you stupidly get drunk and stupidly get into a car and kill someone - that's just being stupid - so you shouldn't get punished as badly as if you weren't stupid and had been sober when you did it?

Ironically, it actually works the OPPOSITE way in our society - where stupidity gets punished even more harshly.

And that's a good thing.

 

you know what, you're right, to hell with laws. I'm going to start breaking laws left and right that I think are unjust and try to get out of any kind of punishment.

It's unjust to prevent me from speeding when I know I'm a safe driver. It's unjust for me to be denied all the gold and money in the banks - i should take what I please. It's unjust for me to have to pay taxes when it goes to support things I don't agree with. Therefore I don't have to pay taxes right? And I shouldn't face any reprecussions!

Laws should not have punishments at all associated with them. Most of them are unjust.

 

I agree.

DD

 

I wrote that? You should at least put the link there. You must have done a lot of digging.

I regret writing that if I did. And I apologize to any Muslims I may have offended. We are all allowed to change our minds though.

The fact is, everyone's action here supports that regime - those laws, and those punishments.

Everytime you pump gas into your car, it's part of the process that supports that regime, that supports lashings. No, you can't avoid it. We're part of it whether we like it or not.

So what does that mean? Maybe there's something deeper here that we need to examine.

 

I really wish you would provide facts with the rest of the crap you spew?

They were arrested for something else, The fact that they have bibles and cd's are secondary.

 

Terrible analogy.

You are comparing victimless "crimes" to manslaughter. Yes, "being stupid" (i.e. making poor decisions) should be punished if it causes harm, but that it is completely different from punishing somebody for doing something completely harmless.

 

The principles for non-violent resistance is to highlight injustice and let outrage from society and the rest of the world help change the injustice. Ghandi's methods might not have worked if he was trying to appeal to the Nazi public. It worked because Britons demanded change. Nelson Mandela spent 27 years in prison as a result of attempting to change the South African government. He became a global hero for his efforts.

This woman might not have wanted to change society with her actions. In the very best light, she could be compared to a Rosa Parks, who didn't intentionally defy the system for a political message. But intentionally or not, her situation brings more attention to the Saudi system for anyone who finds their treatment of women brutal and extreme.