For a king of the North, Robb was pretty much cuckolded by Lord Frey. Made him apologize multiple times and undressed Talisa with his filthy eyes. The massacre was brutal but I'm not upset about it. Robb and Cat were boring compared to the Lannisters. The King's Landing stuff was way more interesting.
"If something AWFUL...I mean WRETCHED..doesn't happen to a Lannister next week (NOT Tyrion)...I'm done with " These Robb Only Fans need to get a grip.
They may lose a few people who were already shaken by previous deaths and expected that Robb would get the rightful vengeance that they felt deserved. The 'Puppies and Rainbows' crowd that watch feel good stuff only and this may have been the last straw for those folks. But, they probably would have lost about the same amount of book readers if not more if they made such a drastic change
From the books perspective, Bran never warged into people (up to book 3 at least). There is no reason why Bran would do that. Remember, Jon joined the wildlings to spy on them. He would choose his loyalty over a woman, unlike Robb.
Those are probably some stupid girls that can't comprehend John leaving so are blaming bran. That isn't possible for him to switch that quick and isn't true.
Shows lose views when it starts to suck or grow stale, not because one of your favorite characters get killed off. Given GoT has no shortage of good characters, I don't think they will lose very many viewers anytime soon. What makes GOT a strong series is that the story line is not written on the fly and not designed to simply get as many viewers as possible.
It's funny how people lose there minds when Robb Stark dies. I wonder what would happen if Tyrion or Danerys dies. People would riot. lol
not to turn this into a book discussion, but the scene with Bran warging into Hodor was directly from the books
Just saw this. Damn. That was...freaking..brutal. I can't believe I actually thought Fray was a pretty cool dude when that daughter of his turned out to be pretty. Kind expected this due to the BLOOOOOOOD MAGIC from the previous episode, but...the massacre being this freaking graphic was a total shock for me.
i must have missed that. I thought they calmed him down as a group. If I ever get around to digging it out, i'll have to reread that.
Spoiler Funny you say that, they both die next episode. don't want to give cause of death away, but let's just say: don't eat week-old brownbread. Also, 2 of the dragons are murdered, but i'm not going to say which ones.
Well some folk don't like dreary things, GoT is definitely that. Why did the 'puppies and rainbows' crowd stick around after Ned's death? Because they thought Robb would get his rightful vengeance. With all that's happened to the Starks they felt that the Starks have gone through enough...and then this happens. You see it from a lot of folks. "Nothing ever goes right in this story, good guys lose and the bad guys win all the time." and at this point in the story they are right. (unless you consider Dany a good guy and I definitely think she is) I could see this being the last straw for them. Just like I stop reading/watching a show where no matter what the good guys win. It gets boring to me because I know no matter what happens the good guys will win. But for some people, that's exactly what they want. That's their prerogative, I just thank folks like Martin whose not afraid to kill off main characters. So yeah, I think some of the people that think the show is too dark for them, this may be the last straw for them. Well I know it wasn't written on the fly, but TV shows and Movies do and will sometimes change major plot points of a book. I mean I was starting to doubt they'd go through with it because Robb is a favorite of many (just look at all the women crying over this...) and then I see this Talisa stuff and I started to wonder. Of course as the season went on it was good to know that they would still kill him off.
I think they would have lost more viewers if they didn't go through with RW. I may have considered not watching it anymore if they changed it up that much.
To start off, I'd like to say I did enjoy this episode for the twist as the story is told. The audience expects a feel good story where Robb Stark avenges his father's death. I was shocked to see Martin kill off Robb and Catelyn purely from a story telling viewpoint. My reaction was like "oh, snap" because things went crazy. It was shocking. However, Robb getting killed off didn't really get me emotional as in "noooo!!! They killed Robb!!" I think it's because with so many characters and viewpoints, it's hard to establish an emotional connection to any of the characters. This show doesn't do a good job of giving much insight to the emotions and feelings of the characters to where you feel much attachment towards them. That's an aspect that has been sacrificed for storytelling because there's way too many characters and storylines that they can't focus on any particular character for him/her to grow outside of the plotline. I'm not sure if any of that makes much sense. I enjoy this show for the storytelling. I just wish they could develop the characters more outside of their individual plots for us to create a stronger attachment to them.
I didn't have the slightest doubt that Robb would have been killed off. That is what makes the series good. Martin will not let his product become watered down to appease the squeaky wheels. Just a few weeks ago, many had an issue with so many plot points going on and it was hard to keep up. This allows plenty of flexibility to let the series meander about, allowing plots to jump from place to place while keeping the show interesting. HBO's GOT could go on for 10 seasons and still be just as strong as season 1. The difference between this and most other shows is that you have one author and one vision. There are no studio execs meddling, or major actors squabbling about the screen time or pay, or firing writers for bad scripts. The only reason why Martin allowed this to go into production was because they agreed to keep his story line intact.
Good point about the "one author" thing. The creative forces behind this show aren't changing. They're sticking to the books for the most part, making only minor changes when necessary. This isn't The Walking Dead where while they keep some major elements, a lot of it completely new and different. GRRM's not going anywhere and I can't see Benioff and Weiss leaving the project, either voluntarily or by being forced out. Since everything is staying true to the source material and Benioff and Weiss write 70% of the episodes (and has only had 2 other writers outside of GRRM, Benioff, and Weiss), the show should stay consistent throughout its run.
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For those who are sad about the series always takes a steaming pile on the Starks, I think it's interesting to note that way back when this saga was initially conceived as a trilogy, the Red Wedding was intended to close out the first book. So this is only the first act, and this was the major turning point that propels the story into act two. Resolutions don't usually occur until the third act, which the books haven't even really gotten to yet. So there's still A LOT of time and A LOT of story left to tell. Don't lose heart.
