In Season 1, Episode 9, Tyrion tells Shae and Bronn about his first wife. When he was a kid he and Jaime saved a peasant girl named Tysha from a band of rapists, and he falls in love with the girl and ends up marrying her. A fews days later, Jaime reveals that the girl was a w**** he had hired to take Tyrion's virginity, and Tywin gave the girl to his barracks to be gang raped, with Tyrion going last. Not a spoiler, but: Spoiler In the books, after Tyrion thanks Jaime for saving him the latter says something to the effect of, "A Lannister pays his debts." When asked to elaborate, Jaime reveals that Tysha wasn't a w****, that she was exactly what she appeared to be, and that Tywin had forced him to tell Tyrion the lie. That was the impetus for Tyrion taking a detour and going after his dad instead of just getting the Hell out of Dodge.
I don't know if it would be a spoiler or not because I don't know the direction they are going to take the series but the part omitted would have been about a character that hasn't been mentioned so far and IMO probably won't be mentioned, if you really want to know who it is I'll spoiler it for you below. Spoiler They talked about Tyrion's first wife, Tysha.
I completely forgot Tyrion was married, wow. No chance Tywin would have been liked as much as he has by the audience if everyone knew about all that.
They did mention her .. Tyrion told the story to Bronn in first or second season .. Most people probably wouldn't have remembered so I don't think leaving that out made much difference , not like he didn't already have enough reasons to off the old man I'm guessing most people would prefer the original actor to pick up the role ,maybe he shows himself in the way Araya is used to or whatever but he was really good in the role and well liked .... btw does anyone know why he talks the way he does ? No one else we've seen from Bravos talks that way
Kind of a reach but... What if Jaqen is really Syrio Forel, Arya's dancing master? We never saw him die, he was from Braavos, and if he was captured in season 1, they would've sent him to the black cells (Where Jaqen came from while being transported to the Wall). Anyone else think this is plausible or am I performing a bikhram stretch?
huh ? ..and no I don't think they are the same person . I do think that Syrio is alive but I don't see any reason he would have hidden his identity from Araya .
The hound killed the butcher's boy, Mycah... Syrio Forel faced off against Ser Meryn Trant, a member of the Kingsguard who we saw testify against Tyrion at his trial.
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Ok, as a non-book reader of GoT, followed this advice and watched the 'histories' videos (below) by the Youtuber Comicbookgirl19. And it was a good decision. I can confirm that this series of histories is spoiler-free (with one possible exception, noted below), and I now understand the actions and motivations much more clearly for several characters, which were previously fuzzy at best. I do recommend watching these if you have not already. HOWEVER, when you get to the History of the Starks, Part 2, don't jump into it just yet. Why? Because it contains *THE THEORY* which got everyone up in arms earlier. Let me say this about 'The Theory': I like it. I hope it is accurate. But there is really nothing in the *televised* version of GoT which could lead a viewer to make the logical leaps necessary to arrive at this 'theory', which means, to me, yes, it is a 'book theory'. Ordinarily then I would dismiss it and refuse to even give it a thought. But in this particular case, if the theory is true, I think it makes the whole experience better, even for us non-book show-watchers only. So, let me clarify - this is only a theory, and it could be wrong. Apparently GRRM has yet to write this bit, so technically it is not a 'spoiler'.. at best it's a gray area. But, because I am a dedicated non-book show-watcher, and I find this theory to significantly improve my overall enjoyment of the show, I will recommend watching Part 2 of the Starks history above, AND I recommend going ahead and embracing this theory. I will give a summary below, but I will spoiler it for those who do NOT wish to embrace the theory. If you do not want to either know or embrace this theory, then do NOT watch the Stark's History Part 2 below. The theory in a nutshell: Spoiler Way back in Season 1, when we are slowly starting to understand the dynamics of how bastards are treated in this world, we learn that Jon Snow is Ned Stark's b*stard son. We learn that bastards are generally looked-down upon, they cannot inherit land or titles, and are mostly treated as second-class citizens. Jon Snow sees all this and sees only a bleak future for himself, and therefore wants to join Ned's brother Benjen Stark on 'The Wall'. So far so good. Catelin hates Jon Snow, and we hear more in depth about that when she is talking to Robb's ill-fated young bride. Anyway, the reason she hates Jon Snow is because he is the physical representation and reminder that her husband was unfaithful to her many years before, when he was away at war, when Robert was taking over the kingdom. Apparently they were gone from home long enough for Ned to have had some kind of tryst with some random woman, AND get her pregnant, AND then return home after the war toting this brand new little baby along with him. Ned always readily admitted he was unfaithful, was always contrite, but remained steadfastly dedicated to raising the boy as his own, b*stard child or not. In the show, both Robert and Jon Snow specifically ask Ned about Jon's mother. To Jon, Ned says 'when I return from King's Landing, we'll talk about your mother'. He ALSO says 'You may not have my name, but you have MY BLOOD.' (KEY POINT THERE) To Robert, he basically says she was just some random woman named Wyla, and refuses to talk about her in any detail. That's all the show has really given us. Now here is where 'The Theory' comes in. Book readers know (and show watchers generally do not) much greater detail of the history of Westeros. The show gives us SOME of the reasons and motivations behind the war which put Robert on the throne, but not enough to arrive at the 'the theory'. What we do know is that Robert was betrothed to and deeply in love with Ned's sister Lyanna. She died, this we know, and is buried in the crypt beneath Winterfell. The show doesn't really tell us HOW she died, but we are led to believe that she was somehow 'taken' from Robert, which was a prime reason for the war which put Robert on the throne and obliterated the Targaryans - the implication is that Lyanna was murdered. What the book history fills in is (according to the video anyway) all the details of what really caused this. Apparently, Lyanna was not as in love with Robert as Robert was with her, and she in fact became enamored enough with the Mad King's son, Raeghar Targaryan, to run away with him, leaving Robert jilted. Either she ran off with him, or she was 'stolen away' by the guy, it's a bit of a mystery supposedly. The appearance was, at least, that she had been stolen away, even if she didn't go unwillingly. Either way, this was a big no-no, which pretty much led to the deaths of Ned's father and older brother, and essentially was the whole deal which started the war which put everything in place for the beginning of Season One of the show. Here's the deal: After the war, and after a bit of a falling-out between Ned and Robert, Ned went in search of Lyanna. He found her in some tower in the south, but after fighting his way through to get to her, she was already dying. Already dying of what, you ask? Well.. supposedly she was dying from complications of childbirth. Yes! Not murdered, as we had been led to believe! Although apparently the book does not make it clear - intentional mystery maybe - the theory is that Lyanna was dying of complications from giving birth.. to the child of Raeghar Targaryan. She makes Ned 'promise'.. something. She apparently dies before being too specific. But the theory holds that the promise is that he will take care of the child, protect him, raise him, and keep his identity a secret, because assuredly any child of the Targaryans would be hunted down and killed, because that child would be the legitimate heir to the throne, as Dany is in the show. So the theory is that the baby he returns home with is not in fact his child at all, but is the child of Lyanna Stark and Raeghar Targaryan. While this would make Jon still technically a b*stard I suppose, he would be of noble birth all the way around, and would still be, I believe, the most direct and legitimate heir to the Iron Throne. Anyway.. this would explain why Ned has always been tight-lipped about Jon, and always held that he was Jon's father, and was willing to endure the wrath of his own wife, because he was honor-bound to do so as the promise made to his dying sister. As I said, I like this theory, I hope it is true. Even as a non-book reader, show-watcher only, I like it, and I want this to be the direction the show moves. If they do though, I don't know how they will do it, probably with a lot of flashbacks or something, but they would have to fill in a lot of gaps. Since this is still only a theory, and it could still end up being wrong, I can't call any of this a spoiler exactly.. but I can certainly understand how some people might prefer not to know this stuff. But in this case, I support it fully. Anyway, that's it in a nutshell, the video does a lot better at filling in the details. Personally, I recommend you embrace it, or at least give it a chance, but I totally understand if you don't want to.
Edit 2: I'm putting my post back. The spoiler tag is in place, it's a gray area topic anyway. You have a choice whether you want information on THE THEORY or not. First, I think THE THEORY is likely correct, but the reason I believe it to be a spoiler is because I expect the show to take us there eventually and I wouldn't want a show only watcher to miss out on an eventual awesome feeling when it is revealed. But, to add to your spoiler: NOTE: This information has been gleaned online from backstory sources and is not currently on the show. Don't click if you don't want this information as it has not been revealed on the show, and may never be. Spoiler Minor details you missed: 1) Promise me Ned: This line is remembered by Ned and in his memory he sees Lyanna Stark covered in blood. It's not that she ONLY said this, it's that this is the vivid memory of what she said before she died. Promise me Ned. It is logical to assume that she made him promise something very specific and then as she died, said Promise me Ned. 2) Ned fought his way through: This is a very important part you sort of glossed over. Ned didn't fight his way through just anyone, he fought his way through members of the Kingsguard. Rhaegar was not the King and obviously Lyanna wasn't either. Why were the Kingsguard, including Arthur Dayne who was apparently the greatest of the Kingsguard, guarding a hostage taken by Rhaegar? This note is important because most theorists would point out that the fact that Lyanna was being guarded by the Kingsguard indicates she was carrying a King in her womb. On another note, apparently Rhaegar told someone else in the books that when he returned from the war he was going to deal with the Mad King. It's possible he was going to depose the King and assume the throne, which sort of fits who Rhaegar was. If you read his history, he was not interested in being a knight as a youth but then somehow realized at some point he HAD to be, so he trained. This lines up with the throne. He did not want to be king, but he came to realize he had to take the throne from the Mad King and so he would. Note that the line of succession would be Mad King---->First Born Son Rhaegar------->Rhaegar's First Born Son. So if Jon Snow is really the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, then he would be heir to the Iron Throne by right. Another part of the theory not mentioned, some believe that in the crypts of Winterfell, Ned Stark hid something that would legitimize Jon Snow as the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna and there is a theory that R&L got married and that Ned Stark has a Targaryan wedding cloak buried in Lyanna's tomb.
Interesting .... Philosophical question. Is a theory that becomes true a spoiler? Perhaps we should ban theories and guesses as well.....even if based only on the show. Rocket River
I think you are being passive aggressive here, but to answer your question, no we should not ban theories and guesses based on the show. I know the whole spoiler debate drives you crazy. Please whine about it some more.
If that theory is true... Spoiler Do we as fans even care about the Targaryens, though? They've been nothing but weird as ****. The whole lot of them.
Don't all the Targaryens have long white hair? Never seen one with dark black hair before so I'm not sure about that theory.
Spoiler If the Targaryen tradition is to marry within the blood line, wouldn't that make Snow the most likely suitor for Dany? would Jon Snow taking the black mean he has already renounced any rights to the throne?
And there's the problem with putting spoilers in tags. There's always somebody who does this. It just never ends.
Awww man I loved your reply, it was awesome. I think I was pretty careful to keep anything potentially spoilerish inside the spoiler. But you're right too. It almost feels like the sort of thing people should VOTE on.. but how can they vote if they don't know what it is?? This is maddening... For now I will just make sure, if I ever mention anything to do with it, to keep it behind a tag, because I totally get what you are saying, while at the same time, retroactively having an even greater liking for everything I have just seen over the past four seasons because of it..
I feel the same way you do, but I also remember when this theory was given to me being a little annoyed because I wouldn't get to piece it together myself. It is a pretty cool theory and I hope the show explores it.
