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Game 4 is why the Rockets did not invest in a backup C

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, May 11, 2009.

  1. roxstarz

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    yao ming isn't going anywhere, he's there cash crop. the nba is a business get over it.
     
  2. choujie

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    I think there were 2 reasons at that time:

    1. There was no cap space for a real good backup C.
    2. No cheap backup C was better than Deke.

    Backup C was obviously needed, that's why they still signed Deke.
     
  3. Rocket86

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    The Rockets would be fooling themselves if they think they do not need to invest on a back up center. Our Center by committee can not hold the fort for that long. Next season, this should be their priority.
     
  4. real_egal

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    If Barry played some role in regular season or playoff, I would buy that theory. Yes, his experience and talk to our young guards are valuable and he's a very good guy. But he does NOT play, that doesn't justify ANYTHING, backup C, PF, Wing, PG, or coaching staff.

    Instead of a big backup 4/5, you are saying we spent the money but doesn't let the guy play is a smart decision both in sports and business. I don't get it. Because of one game, all of the sudden, size doesn't matter any more?
     
  5. durvasa

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    What in the world are you going on about? There isn't a single formula in this thread. This schtick of yours gets real tiring.

    And, FYI, Yao Ming played even more minutes back in 06/07, with another 7-footer on the squad. In game 1 against Portland, with an effective Dikembe Mutombo available, Yao played 19 minutes in the first half (second half turned into a blow out). Your assumption that Yao would not be playing heavy minutes in the playoffs with a 7-footer behind him doesn't necessarily hold, now does it?
     
  6. worzel gummidge

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    Adelman spoke about playing Barry in the 4th qtr as a PG when he was first signed. So I assume they had a bigger need and role for Barry that changed when Wafer and Brooks both stepped up.

    I still think the Rockets need a bigger/quicker PF/C who can slot in for or next to Yao on the floor. The Rockets lack agressive toughness in their frontcourt. A player who can get under his opponent's skin without being outright dirty like Laimbeer.

    I'd like to see them go after Matt Nielsen. He'd also be a low cost pick up that's what the Rockets are limited to.

    Nielsen was 7th in shotblocking in the Eurocup:
    http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/ul...ctl00_ddlTopics=5&ctl02_ctl00_ddlCategories=7

    Surprisingly another name Serhiy Lishchuk AKA Sergei Lishouk a centre who the Rockets own the draft rights on tops the list.
     
  7. durvasa

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    That's not what I'm saying. You're taking the thread title too literally. The manner in which we were able to play in game 4 with a small lineup (and as we played last season when going small) is why the Rockets did not put a high priority on size in the last offseason. When Yao isn't on the floor, they think our best shot at winning, generally, is to go small and out-energize the opponent. This is my theory, but I'm open to other thoughts on why the Rockets took the approach they did.
     
  8. Dave_78

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    I think they also chose not to go for a backup C because they never expected to be minus Yao and Mutombo yet still be in a position to dethrone the reigning WC Champions.
     
  9. worzel gummidge

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    Just ignore him. He posts from a Bizarro world where Adelman, Artest, and Brooks are scheming to undermine Yao Ming with their every move.
     
  10. saleem

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    Come on,it was obvious to the naked eye that a 37 year old Barry couldn't do more than a young backup center especially one with length and quickness. If it wasn't for Wafer we would have drowned at the backup 2 spot,despite all of Von's weaknesses.
    Les thought he could get away with having Scolandry and Chuck at the 5 without having to pay for Deke. He even said he wouldn't pay the LT for a player until it would put us over the top. Deke was old,but it became obvious that Scolandry and Chuck wouldn't work at the 5. The team was spinning out of control and Les was forced to call up for him after getting rid of Francis.
    Just because they got away with it in Game 4 is not the real reason for it at all. I'm surprised that you tend to forget the limitations of our role players despite their enormous hard work and valuable contributions.
     
  11. Da Wink

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    this ia a NO IQ thread..
     
  12. durvasa

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    7-footers are available, and leegibez has provided some names (Elson, Magloire, Andersen). Cap space is always a factor, but I'm talking basketball-wise why they went the direction they did. It's easier to find high-skill, high-energy without size to fill in the front court than the same, with size. And I think the Rockets put a higher priority on that when Yao is off the court.
     
  13. durvasa

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    I'm not forgetting the limitations. But Game 4 wasn't a fluke. How do you think the Rockets extended their streak to 22 wins last season? They weren't playing Deke 48 minutes, I'll tell you that. They went to more small ball, spread the floor, and out-energized the opposing team's front court.

    BTW, Deke was brought in mid-season, but how many minutes did Adelman give him? You say it was obvious the team was desperate for Deke's services on the court, but the guy played in only 9 games and 96 total minutes.
     
  14. choujie

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    Only Anderson could be considered better than Deke, and he was a huge risk at that time unlike Deke.

    Rockets didn't use up all their full MLE(I could be wrong here) just to avioid going over the limit.

    The signing of Barry was before the trade for Artest happened, and Tmac's health concern played a big part in it, SG situation was even worse than backup C since Scola could play C anyway.

    We needed both front court and back court help at that time, but Morey had Alexander's order to not go over LT. That's why no backup C was signed.
     
  15. leebigez

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    durvasa, the barry thing had nothing to do with wafer. My beef with the barry signing had more to do with his skills that didn't fit what could help the rockets. The 2 reasons why the rocket had trouble in the playoffs vs Utah the last 2 yrs has been very easy to dignose. Lack of a consistent 3rd scorer and lack of a true backup to give yao a break.

    I'm just saying 3rd scorer first and quality backup big for a guy that has missed 90 games in 3 yrs. That's not being crazy, that's protecting yourself. Barry didn't make sense when they signed him and he doesn't make sense now.
     
  16. choujie

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    Barry's signing made sense at that time. Tmac just had surgery, Battier just had surgery, Head just once again proved to be worthless in playoffs, and most importantly, Ron Artest was still with Kings.
     
  17. durvasa

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    Good post. You're right, those are all important points. There's only so many minutes that could be allotted to that backup C spot, with the Rockets determined to give Yao 30-35 minutes a game, and with Scola and Landry playing so well down the stretch last season. So, they had to decide how big a priority size was. Was it worth limiting Scola's or Landry's minutes, or bumping Hayes completely out of the rotation? Was it worth not using the cap space to sign a veteran wing player? Ultimately, the Rockets decided that extra size wasn't so important. I guess what I'm saying is that I think the way the Rockets can play when they go small, as exhibited in game 4, had a lot to do with that. They like this style of play, and when Yao isn't on the floor I think this is how they want the Rockets to play.
     
  18. saleem

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    You can make the argument based on his minutes, but we lost some games in which Deke could have played a role. GS plays at a fast pace, but Rick put Deke in that game which resulted in a big win. Deke also played a big role against Portland,we could won by bigger margins against them instead of just squeaking by in Game 3 and 4.It's even possible if he hadn't got hurt, we might have even won Game 2. Deke isn't as quick as the others, but his length,rebounding,shot blocking would have complimented Chuck and Scolandry.
     
  19. saleem

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    Barry made sense only on paper.He was the only available FA willing to join for the LLE. Barry hasn't been much better than Head.
     
  20. durvasa

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    There was no guarantee the Rockets could bring in a 3rd scorer in the summer. Many of us thought that would only happen near the trade deadline. So, last offseason, getting another ball-handling, perimeter-shooting wing for a bargain price was a priority. Obviously you disagree, arguing that Ricky Davis and maybe some others made more sense, but the Rockets felt for that type of player Barry fit the bill as well as anyone. I happened to like the signing at the time, but overall I admit Barry did not work out as well as I thought he would. Fortunately, the Rockets took a chance on Von Wafer, and he was able to make up for what Barry could not bring.
     

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