the same thing they talk about in China and UK and other countries with mass murders. They can't ban guns anymore so they deal with real solutions.
"Wow, that hasn't happened in a while, and there has been a noticeable statistical decrease in such acts!" or "Wow, that guy used knives and he friggin killed 2 people, if he had an AK-47, the whole school would be dead."
Actually, in China in the UK they are more likely to react after a US mass murder, given that they are several orders of magnitude more likely to happen here.
Which is clearly wrong, because since 1994 we've had Newtown, Littleton, Fort Hood, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Arizona- and dozens more. Hell we've probably had more in 2013 alone. Are you seriously denying that these things happened, like a tinfoil hatted idiot, or just straight trolling for fun?
yeah, i feel like this is one of those things where rampage is defined very narrowly---probably physical tools only (which would really undermine the point you and giddyup are espousing). *insert snark reference into reading or counting well, your choice*
^ yeah he's probably got some stupid uber-obtuse thing like when he claimed via various personas to not understandt he term loophole, or that he can't comprehend online gun transactions. Ambiguity in statutes happens - it's an unavoidable concept of using written language to express ideas. It's also why we have law enforcement and justice system to parse them out. But Casey H hath discovered thus and beams with pride like a 3 year old making a dookie in a pottie, grinning ear to earh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers just ripped it off this list. I feel your point is invalid because 1. you are very loosely using the term "orders of magnitude" 2. china has had serious mass murder problems recently and it is very unlikely they would overlook their domestic news to focus on ours 3. and USA killings are "explained" by guns being legal which was the entire point of the question I was responding, which was "what will happen when all the guns are banned" If you don't buy any of that, I will say the response will be similar to the response of the Boston marathon bombing.
If you want to get back to gun discussion, my point about online sales is, what changes when you "buy" a gun online? I don't understand why it is being considered unsafe when the law says you will still need a background check. I seriously interested in what you think that means. Do you for example think you can now buy a gun online and subvert some law that would be more effective if the internet didn't exist?
THis list doesn't appear to contain what you claim; please point out exactly where you arrived at your figure. 1. The U.S. homicide rate is 4.8, China's is 1.0. That's orders of magnitude. 2. In comparison to the US, and adjusted for population? This is clearly wrong, again. 3. Here is a fact: 100% of U.S. firearm-related violence involves a firearm. Ponder it for a second.
Since 1994 the US has 3 on the list and China has 4. 1. One order of magnitude would be x10,orders of magnitude would be x10^2 (at a minimum IMO) Also you said mass murder not murder rate. So it really isn't even debatable. 2. I guess "serious problem" is subjective but I don't think these are reasonably outside of that realm and certainly not "clearly wrong" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010–12) 3. OK?
For someone who is so exacting in terminology and numerology--- that's a pretty big f**king caveat. fyi, they had to create a whole page for America itself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States pretty sure that's orders of magnitude above, hell, since 2010 there have been 19 incidents involving fatalities on school grounds with guns. Many of these incidents have had multiple fatalities.
You linked to a page with no fewer than 10 lists - please tell me exactly which one you're referring to. I'm kind of using it in the colloquial sense - but fine, you win one! There's only five times as many homicides in the US which is not a scientific order of magnitude. Is great success!
Great, want to move on to internet sales? ie, the reason you are willing to stop funding democrat senators.
No, statutory construction is rather boring, and thus far the only person who has even mentioned it as problematic is no less an authority on the subject than you...who is not an authority in the area, at all.
OK I am curious if others are for the term for the right reasons. I think the term was included for basically two purposes. 1. Makes people think "online sales" of guns avoids some laws that otherwise would be applicable. 2. Makes individual face to face intrastate transactions, which normally do not require a background check, very risky for otherwise lawful gun owners. For example if they were able to get a conviction on a gun sale between some friends without a background because they showed they were facebook friends, and on the same basketball bbs. The seller would probably feel they would need to prove the sale had no connection to the internet. Basically, scare tactics that would be extremely successful. Beyond these, it does nothing.
I was just watching CCTV and have changed my mind. When talking about the Shanghai student that was poisoned, they compared it to VTech "this situation is similar to the Virginia Polytechnic shooting. Besides gun control, which is not a problem in China, there are many similarities." Then began talking about those. Which isn't exactly what you were saying, but probably closer than what I predicted. Although I think it shows that there is still other efforts to be made, and conversations to have, outside of gun control which is such a dividing issue.
Support plummets for senators who voted no on background checks Senators in several states who voted earlier this month against increasing background checks for gun buyers have since seen their approval ratings noticeably drop, according to new polls released Monday by the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling. Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.), who cosponsored background check legislation, saw his approval rating increase by a net 7 points, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Friday.
