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[Fusion] Big Step at the National Ignition Facility

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  1. Rashmon

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    All kidding aside, this is big news, here is a related story...

    Levitating magnet coaxes nuclear fusion
    Energy could be created by fusion without any greenhouse gas emissions
    By Clara Moskowitz
    LiveScience
    updated 11:34 a.m. CT, Thurs., Jan. 28, 2010
    Physicists may be one step closer to achieving a form of clean energy known as nuclear fusion, which is what happens deep inside the cores of stars.

    A recent experiment with a giant levitating magnet was able to coax matter in the lab to extremely high densities — a necessary step for nuclear fusion.

    When the density is high enough, atomic nuclei — the protons and neutrons of atoms — literally fuse together, creating a heavier element. And if the conditions are right that fusion can release loads of energy.

    Depending on the mass of this element, energy could be created by fusion without any greenhouse gas emissions. So it could present a tantalizing clean power source, if scientists could achieve it.

    "Fusion energy could provide a long-term solution to the planet’s energy needs without contributing to global warming," said Columbia University physicist Michael Mauel, co-leader of the recent study.

    Such a power source would produce far less radioactive waste than current nuclear energy plants, which involve splitting atoms apart — called fission — the opposite of fusion.

    For the new study scientists built a Levitated Dipole Experiment, or LDX, which involves suspending a giant donut-shaped magnet in midair using an electromagnetic field.

    The magnet weighs about a half-ton, and is made of superconducting wire coiled inside a stainless steel container about the size and shape of a large truck tire. The researchers used the magnet to control the motion of an extremely hot gas of charged particles, called a plasma, contained within its outer chamber.

    The doughnut-shaped magnet creates a turbulence that causes the plasma to condense, instead of becoming more spread out, as usually happens with turbulence. Such "turbulent pinching" has been observed with space plasma in the magnetic fields of Earth and Jupiter, but never before in the lab.

    The approach "could produce an alternative path to fusion," said co-leader Jay Kesner of MIT, but to reach the density levels needed for commercial fusion, scientists would have to build a much larger version of the experiment.

    A key to the device is the fact that the LDX magnet is levitating, rather than suspended by any struts, because the magnetic field used to confine the plasma would be disturbed by any objects in its way.

    In the experiment, the doughnut magnet was held aloft by a magnetic field from an electromagnet overhead, which is controlled by a computer based on readings from laser beam sensors. This set-up can adjust the position of the giant magnet to within half a millimeter.

    Just in case the magnetic levitating system fails, the experiment included a cone-shaped support with springs underneath the magnet to catch it if need be.

    The researchers detailed their findings this week in the journal Nature Physics.

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  2. SwoLy-D

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    ^^ :eek:

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  3. B-Bob

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    turbulent pinching can happen when I eat... oh nevermind.
     
  4. JayZ750

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    Do these types of mini-steps towards fusion happen often, or is it just coincidence that 2 different approaches seem to have taken large steps forward simultaneously?

    My science years are way way behind me. Ocean water as endless fuel? Obviously there's a lot of it, but it isn't exactly endless, either.

    How much power would a gallon of ocean water produce?

    Also, if and once fusion is perfected, are we now potentially talking about faster, better space travel?
     
  5. B-Bob

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    Well, yeah, nothing is endless, but from just two different heavy hydrogen atoms, you get 17 or 18 MeV (million electron volts... sorry technical and obscure). So just from a couple of grams of that junk, we're talking... (back of envelope), 10^10 joules of energy, or maybe 3,000 kWh.

    Don't have the time to be more careful, but a gallon would go a long, long way. Whatever you do, don't just take the mass of water and say E=mc^2, because it's only the mass *lost* in the reaction that turns into energy.
     
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  7. kpsta

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    How a thread on lasers can avoid a Real Genius reference is beyond me...

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    Let's get something very clear here. Everything you've heard about the supportive student body and the honor code might hold for the rest of the campus, but it doesn't count for squat in here. Which means when Jerry's not here, you do what I say. From God to Jerry to me, get it?
     
  8. Ottomaton

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    That would be 100% efficiency, right?

    A quick Google shows that current fission reactors manage about 33%. Then after you pay for both the material and continuing operating cost of the lasers and electromagnets as well as production of deuterium and tritium and all the other industrial goodies...

    I will imagine it will have a lot in common with current nuclear plants, which seems like "free energy" until you actually get the bill for implementing it.
     
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    But they would still be getting a huge amount of energy from a very tiny source.

    It's kinda like when you let loose on a really small, silent fart, but it turns out to be so stinky that a roomful of people make the sour face and leave.
     
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    I think that's right, only more expensive at first. BUT no Yucca Mountain sized discussions, no Chernobyl, no... Godzilla!
     
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    Good news indeed. There are so many type of fusions they are playing around with at the moment. It won't be another 10 to 20 yrs before we be see any of these.
     
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    What's the giant pencil for ?

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  15. B-Bob

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    You have to prove to the atoms each time, with equations, that it won't hurt too much. They have very poor vision, so you use a big pencil.
     

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