Seriously, does anyone believe that there is an NBA team out there who would pick up Moochie? Just curious.
Ok, what team would rather give you a first round pick than 2 second round picks. The only way anybody would do that would be if they wanted to avoid a guaranteed contract late in the first round. And even with the Bulls' improvement, that pick still won't be in the bottom 6 or 7. Those second round picks aren't worth very much.
Again, Brand is his favorite (possibly of all time). Anything shy of Yao and Francis will not get it done.
Geez, no kidding... it IS wild. I find it equally hard to believe they would just cut Mooch. They can't be thinking of just eating that contract. There's gotta be SOME way to move it. And Sam or Payton?? Can you imagine either one playing off of Francis and Yao? But I can't imagine affording Payton. Must be someone else. I like NIKEstrad's thoughts on this as well. Williams would be great at PG, but a PF from the West who's last name isn't Brand would require some digestion. Hell, we're just going to go nuts around here this summer anyway... may as well start in April.
And what if Elton is about ready to walk to Utah, SA or Denver? (are there any other teams that can offer a max contract to a FA)
Ok, so Cat, Grif, Rice and maybe Cato are trade bait. no takers for taylor or mooch, I'd guess. We all want GP Brand Redd But it's hard to get them. How? Where do we throw the majority of our stock? 1) We need to get the ball into Ming or over to Steve in scoring position. Bad. The ball distributor is very important. 2) Ming needs an enforcer. 3) We need a shooter. I'd rank 'em like that. Brand is a special talent, but we could really do wonders with just Zach Randolph bullying in there. I see a problem with a star pf - there's not enough shots. Our guy needs to board and bully. The hard thing for us is getting the ball to Ming/Steve in good position, or having a bailout spot shooter if they get trapped.
and?....and??!?!?!?! I'm sure that'd cost a pretty good amount...start with Mobley and Griffin throw in Rice as a one year veteran rental veteran leader...that's probably not quite enough. But still, Miller-Francis-Odom-Taylor-Yao is a fierce starting 5. And with Miller AND Odom, Francis would never have to worry about leading the break ever again. Still with Nachbar and Cato off the bench, and a free agent exception to play with for a Jon Barry or so. Not too bad. PS Doc- Any recent word on Nachbar?
Anyone else less than thrilled to see Oakley on Doc's list of PFs?? I mean I know he said "Veteran" but dayum....think he's prepping us?
My trades... Steve Francis Yao Ming The only two players we are going to keep. Payton's value must be dropping. He played horrible the first game of the playoffs against New Jersey. And then after the game...he was charged with assault. Well...and he's old. But he would still be great for our team...like my thread said. Alvin Williams is all right. But I'd rather get Antonio Davis or Morris Peterson. BUT SAM CASSELL SOUNDS LOVELY. BEAUTIFUL. If we got him...great. It isn't that wild or exciting...probably nothing will happen. I'll be delighted if something did happen. The best thing this summer will probably be Moochie Norris being waived. Andre Miller and Lamar Odom sound very nice.
total BS. Lamar is not injury prone. Freak accident landing on that rolling ball after a dunk. Thats not being weak or injury prone. You fans need to get your facts straight. If anybody thinks boki is better than odom ,then you can count on no playoffs for years. If anyone thinks tinsley is better than cat ,then you can count on no playoffs for years. And malone is not the answer either. After he takes a look at rudys iso offense,he will throw up and want to be traded just like pippen. I knew someone would claim lamar is injury prone. Francis was out almost all of last year to,and whats his reward? a max contract. boki is injury prone. Griffin is definately injury prone. Mobley gets injured on his ankles alot. So does cato (remember his first 3 years here?) and taylor.Every rocket has been injured. I am hearing complete mixed reviews on tinsley. Some fans swear he cant shoot,others like Doc want him. Whats the truth? I guess we should all watch indiana in the playoffs and decide.
Would it be possible for the Houston Rockets to get Andre Miller and Lamar Odom? Of course...it would take at least Cuttino Mobley, Eddie Griffin, and Glen Rice...just to balance the salaries. So what are your ideas? Mobley/Griffin/Rice/Posey/Moochie/1st Round Draft Pick For Andre Miller/Lamar Odom Would that be enough?
Trade Mobley and Maddox for Cassell. Sign Posey. And now for the unrealistic part of it: Trade Rice (expiring contract), Griffin, a ton of cash (for Sterling) and a ton of draft picks for Brand, Odom, Jaric, Wang Zhizhi. Sterling will not want to pay all these guys. Trade Cato for Brent Barry, Drobnjak and Joe Forte (cut Forte afterwards, but Seattle wants to get rid of him like we want to get rid of Maddox). PG: Cassell, Jaric, (Moochie) SG: Francis, B. Barry SF: Odom, Posey, Nachbar (Hawkins) PF: Brand, Mo Taylor (T. Morris, only re-sign for the minimum) C: Ming, Drobnjak, Wang Zhizhi P.S.: Did anyone notice how good Outlaw was for Phoenix during the stretch that got them into the playoffs? Does anyone remember that I have been saying we should get this guy for years?
If this statement isn't an obvious sign that the Rockets are going to go after Malone I don't know what else is. The only way the Rockets would be able to bring in a veteran who is about to retire like Malone is convince him that we can be a championship team next year. The only way to do that would bring in a player of Payton's calibur. PG East - Sign and trade for GP PF West - Karla Malone (will become Karl only if we sign him) SG East - Would be a back up with a good shot so I'll go with Jon Barry.
You know , everyone wants Francis to be like Iverson as a lead guard, but days like Iverson had when he shoots good from the floor are few and far between. Also , there are cobinations in the East you can play that you can't in the west. No matter how they look at it, If we don't have good inside production in the west, e can't win. If anyone thinks Francis is a poor defensive player now, wait till all those 2 guards get uncontested shots because of his height. Before anyone jump and says Francis can use his quickness, remember the psuedo zone can combat that. I'm not too happy about the same lame coaching staff and offense that can't utilize the players they have now. Look at Iverson stats: Allen Iverson Stats: This year | Archived S H O O T I N G YEAR TEAM GM MIN FGM FGA FG% FTM FTA FT% 3PM 3PA 3P% PTS PPG 1996-97 Philadelphia 76 3045 625 1504 .416 382 544 .702 155 455 .341 1787 23.5 1997-98 Philadelphia 80 3150 649 1407 .461 390 535 .729 70 235 .298 1758 22.0 1998-99 Philadelphia 48 1990 435 1056 .412 356 474 .751 58 199 .291 1284 26.7 1999-00 Philadelphia 70 2853 729 1733 .421 442 620 .713 89 261 .341 1989 28.4 2000-01 Philadelphia 71 2979 762 1813 .420 585 719 .814 98 306 .320 2207 31.1 R E B O U N D I N G O T H E R YEAR TEAM OFF DEF TOT RPG AST APG ST BLK TO PF TF 1996-97 Philadelphia 115 197 312 4.1 567 7.51 157 24 337 233 8 1997-98 Philadelphia 86 210 296 3.7 494 6.22 176 25 244 200 14 1998-99 Philadelphia 66 170 236 4.9 223 4.69 110 7 167 98 5 1999-00 Philadelphia 71 196 267 3.8 328 4.73 144 5 230 162 12 2000-01 Philadelphia 50 223 273 3.8 325 4.62 178 20 237 147 18 2002-2003 Statistics Rebounds Team GP MIN FGA FG% FTA FT% PTS OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO PHI 73 3099 1734 .415 656 .764 2017 58 244 302 386 202 9 250 2002-2003 Per Game Averages TEAM MIN PTS REB AST STL BLK PHI 42.5 27.6 4.1 5.3 2.8 0.1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stat Key GM: Games OFF: Offensive Rebounds MIN: Minutes Played DEF: Defensive Rebounds FGM: Field Goals Made TOT: Total Rebounds FGA: Field Goals Attempted RPG: Rebounds Per Game FG%: Field-Goal Percentage AST: Assists FTM: Free Throws Made APG: Assists Per Game FTA: Free Throws Attempted ST: Steals FT%: Free-Throw Percentage BLK: Blocks 3PM: 3-Pointers Made TO: Turnovers 3PA: 3-Pointers Attempted PF: Personal Fouls 3P%: 3-Point Percentage TF: Technical Fouls PTS: Points PPG: Points Per Game What was wrong with 22pts 6asst with only 3to's and 46fg%. After that, look how his fg% went down every yr. Yes you can make the debate about him being more valuable now, but look at how many shot attpts he take per game thus leaving no one else with a chance to do anything. Does anyone really think we can win with a smallish guard taking 23 shot per game in the west? I still think any moving of player has to involve the removal of Taylor and his ridiculous contract.
Trading Mobley and Maddox for Cassell is nice. Brand is better than Rice and Griffin. But everything else is way too unrealistic. Never gonna happen. CATO for BRENT BARRY PLUS those 2 other guys? Heck no. They already have Jerome James...like his bigger brother. Sterling won't have a problem paying ZhiZhi minimum wage a couple of years. They would want more than Rice and Griffin. And we don't have any cash to give them. Outlaw would be nice. But he is just like Cato...except smarter and hmm...well he has better coaching. He wouldn't be that great here. Maybe all he needs to do is rebound and clean up missed shots. But ugh...I love his goggles.
Odom, Jaric and Brand for Rice and Griffin + cash + draft picks? It must be alot of cash and alot of draft picks (Minnesota gave up like 5 or 6 1st rounders for Joe Smith). Trading away draft picks is a bad idea especially if those players don't guarantee champion calibur teams. Brand and Odom are going to want close to the max or even get the max, I highly doubt Houston can afford them and Francis and manage to resign Ming when his contract expires. I would settle just for Brand, they can have anybody except Ming and Francis.
Francis wouldn't need to guard the opposing 2's if we got Jason Williams, Shane Battier, and Wesley Person. Shane Battier or James Posey would happily get to guard the star that night. And zone defense is now allowed in the NBA.
