Just on the numbers, Spoon + Wesley = Bibby works. Not sure whether they would do it for the expiring contracts. I tend to doubt it.
Thanks R2K So that means that we only have to send out $2.7 mil to get Tinsley, but I think it's a moot point since Indiana probably wants to keep him. I'm racking my brain trying to figure out who this "pure point guard" could be...
how about a willingness to take on bad contracts... (I don't think the rox want to give up an expiring contract like Wesley, for a mediocre PG who can't shoot, is starting to get his ankles broken by the younger playres, and has $20 million left on his contract plus Snow might perfer to go to NY, since he used to play for Brown.
Wesley is more valuable regardless of salaries. Also, what bad contracts do the Cavs have that they didn't pick up this year? I don't see any. Their only bad contract is Eric Snow.
The Chronicle today reported that Barry has not yet been signed, even though everyone else had been reporting the deal was done. So Doc's "deep throat" is correct again (even if Doc is a little buzzed when he talks to him and mistranslates ).
Let me again reiterate, I hope the Rockets arent thinking about taking on the albatross contracts of Derek Fisher/Eric Snow/Rafer Alston. I admit it would be nice to have more of a pure PG, but not at the expense of taking on a long term contract like those for role playeres. If we were to take on a bad contract like that I would expect a sweetener just to do it (Pietrus, Mo Peterson etc). As for Cassell....Cassell makes some sense. I know he is expiring but the Wolves I think would like to move him regardless. I just dont think they want him around after last season. At the trading deadline last year there was a serious rumor that the Rockets were looking to move Juwan Howard for Cassell and the Rockets backed out of that deal when they couldnt secure a PF to take JH's place after the trade. I get the sense the Rockets were trying to get Kurt Thomas at the time. So clearly the Rockets have already talked to the Wolves about a Cassell for Howard swap and the Wolves like Howard. But from the Rockets perspective, while I like the idea of moving Howard's contract for Cassell's expiring one, I would be uneasy with us moving a decent backup PF in Howard. We would have to make another trade to get a decent backup PF. Now, if the Rockets could move Howard for Cassell and then turn around and be able to get someone like a PJ Brown then we might be talking. Or the Rockets could try to sign someone like Othella Harrington or Brian Grant (amnesty waiver cut). Either way, the Rockets have to go into the season with some depth at PF so we dont have the problem we had last year when Howard went down.
I am sure this PG has to be at least the equal player of what we have (if not better) AND the better fit than James or Sura. Arroyo does NOT fit as what we say in the playoffs (Arroyo for Det, James for us or Det) Mike James is a far superior player. Sura at 80% is too. Fisher isn't as good as James and Sura and has a much worse contract. Has Earl Watson signed? Is Jaric considered a pure PG? Tinsley would be very nice, but Indy believes they have a shot at a ring and this would hurt this majorly. If Bibby is a salary dump that would be unreal. I personally think he is the best best all-around PG after Billips and Nash. Sac would have to reall want to throw in the towel on this one. How about if the Johnson deal falls through, Phx matches, and looks to dump Nash? I got to believe as plausible as the Bibby thing. And even Nash looks like he has a lot more gas than Kidd. Surely we are not thinking Payton for a big 1 year contract (if S&Ts are allowed for 1 year deals). (Yuck) If I had to guess most plausible, I'd say Hart or Knight of the Bobcats. 1) They are completely avilable with Felton coming in. 2) I wouldn't say they are an upgrade over James/Sura, but they bring a different skill set, and would let Sura play more SG and maybe back-up SF. 3) MOST IMPORTANTLY, Charlotte can take any combination of players salary in return and may need to take more just to meet league requirements--expiring contract are perfect for them. We get major trade exception we can use, or just save the money. How about: -Hart (signed at 2-3 mil year?) for two expiring contracts (exclusing Wesley) + 06 1st rounder. (Or include Wesley as a usefull expiring contract, and make the pick the NY 2nd, not our 1st) -Knight (signed at say 2 mil year) for two expiring contracts (not Wesley) + NY 2nd rounder.
Talk about pipedreams. There's no PG in the entire league I would have over Mike Bibby. The guy is PURE CLUTCH has ice on his veins, knows like few others how to get the ball to a big man and has plenty of range on his shot. And he is young too. Shame that there is no chance in hell he ends up here.
Jason Hart has been traded to the kings. Hart requested to be traded after the Bobcats drafted point guard Raymond Felton last month. Charlotte sent him to the Kings for a future second-round pick. Originally signed to be Charlotte's starting point guard, Hart lost the job to Brevin Knight. And with Felton expected to become Charlotte's new starter, Hart knew his playing time would be limited. "This was not adversarial at all," Bickerstaff said. "He called me and said he appreciated the fact we gave him his first contract, but he felt that the minutes would not be there for him." http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/8698989
For those that say a Tinsley trade is unplausible, here is a little nugget that came out in their paper today: "The Pacers continue to look at trade possibilities that could reduce their roster size and, perhaps, slightly reduce their payroll. "We are being aggressive, but I also could go the way we are now," CEO Donnie Walsh said, reiterating comments made by Larry Bird earlier in the week." IndyStar Article I'm not pointing this out and saying it is has a high chance of happening, but but only that there IS a possissibility and that they would be looking at cost cutting. They have over $75 mil. on the payroll & still need/want to resign both Dale Davis & James Jones. Also, their PG rotation was pretty good last season even with Tinsley being hurt alot. Anthony Johnson & Eddie Gill filled in pretty well yet they made getting another PG first priority this offseason by throwing decent money at an unproven Euro-player. Tinsley is alot more on the market than, I think, many believe. I would have to believe that if we threw either Sura or James plus another one or two expiring deals (which they could cut) with a 1st, Indy would certainly consider it.
Jason Williams would be a great pickup for Houston. As long as we are discussing the Williams/Walker trade, there is another PG everyone forgot about: Raul Lopez. He's a pure PG on a team w/ two proven PG's.
Nice find, mogrod. Though, the caveat is - your article says the Pacers are looking to reduce roster size, and a 2 for 1 wouldn't help that. I think xiki is right - if we start talking taking Croshere off their hands for an expiring deal, they might be up to moving Tinsley. The problem is, we don't have anywhere to put Croshere really, other than on the bench as the 3rd string PF.
If JVG wanted a rookie (or nearly one by playing time) like Lopez, he already would have picked one up -- maybe he already did with Head (although I doubt it). No, IMO he will go with a veteran PG.
just over the cap teams. If a team with cap space(Bobcats or Hawks) wanted to accept a couple of our expirings to meet league minimum...they wouldnt *have* to send anyone back since they can absorb the contracts and still be under the cap...we would get a TE = to the value of the contracts. Im pretty sure this is accurate...tho Im sure NIKE or DS could correct me if it isnt
I was really bored: Houston trades: Howard + Wesley Houston receives: PJ Brown + Eric Snow Cleveland Trades: Gooden + Snow Cleveland Receives: Howard + Dickau (S&T) New Orleans Trades: Brown + Dickau New Orleans Receives: Gooden + Wesley
I originally had Howard + 2nd Rounder for Brown/Snow, but it would totally go against trying to get 2 for 1 or atleast 2 for 2 deals.
