Baseball, bascially says that. Midgets are not allowed to play, ever since the Eddie Gaedel stunt in 1951. I don't know if it is specifically spelled out, but it is certainly an unwritten rule. ------------------
The problem I have Dak, is that you can say take him to a public forum, but this is a golden opportunity for golf to open up their arms to children and make a goodwill gesture and let him play. This is the perfect PR move, something to cover up the nasty battle that happened with Casey Martin, and they have created ANOTHER PR nightmare. I'm not saying change all their rules, but adapt the rules. This is the perfect chance to open up a olive branch to the public, and heal some wounds and they are throwing ANOTHER fit and looking bad to the casual fan! ------------------ "Instruments are like women: After a while, you want to make love to another." - Nicolas Godin of the musical duo Air [This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited July 13, 2001).]
Another example of golf shooting itself in the foot. In a sport in which you have someone else walking around to carry your equipment for you, why make you keep your own score? Keeping your score is I guess a quaint, gentlemanly gesture - but certainly doesn't seem fundamental to the game itself. The little kid reaps no competitive advantage by having someone keep score for him, and it seems like a reasonable accomodation could have certainly been made in this circumstance. ------------------ I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip that I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.
King -- we usually come out pretty close on most issues...but I have to disagree here. This is ridiculous. This a rule for the sake of having a rule...certainly the spirit of the rule is not to exclude children who have mental conditions but are still able to play competitively. Ultimately, golf is a game...this isn't a professional level..he's not playing to earn a living...he's playing, as everyone else in this tourney is, for pure joy. To deny a kid to play in a tourney like this because of this is criminal. Obviously they, as a private organization, have the right to do what they want and set rules as they wish...but they also better be ready to take the criticism for this one. This is just flat out awful. ------------------ [This message has been edited by MadMax (edited July 13, 2001).]
Baseball, bascially says that. Midgets are not allowed to play, ever since the Eddie Gaedel stunt in 1951. I don't know if it is specifically spelled out, but it is certainly an unwritten rule. Yes, but in baseball, there's a reason. Having a midget in the batter's box makes the strike zone unreasonably tiny. It actually changes the competitive ability of the pitcher. An entire team of midgets would be a phenomenal offensive team. This doesn't really apply in the NBA -- an arbitary rule like that is just silly. Or what about, "You cannot play in the NBA if you have curly hair." These are the types of rules we're talking about -- they are just there for the sake of being rules. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
Having someone keep their own score is not crazy, arbitrary, or ridiculous. Sports for young people is supposed to be about learning, team work, and building self-esteem. Teaching the game and as a result learning how to keep score is part of the game. Nobody is stopping the kid from playing golf. They're just trying to enforce a reasonable set of rules for their own tournament. ------------------ First the Sopranos and now Eddie Griffin... thank you New Jersey!
It is about money, prestige etc Who wants their kids' to lost to the handicap kid. They don't want their kid's precious egos crushed. It is selfish.. . but it is life. they don't give a damn about this kid or his parents. . . and that is the sadness as jeff said. . the kid likes to play Is there money involved in this thing Trophies? If this kid is out then folx see their kids as having a better chance to win and bring in accolades and maybe money to them. this is why sport suck nowaday It is about WINNING which is fine but it is winning at all cost [sportsmanship what the hell is that?] and not so much the best man wins but the best man that can eliminate the competion even before competition starts. Rocket River ------------------
Having someone keep their own score is not crazy, arbitrary, or ridiculous. Sports for young people is supposed to be about learning, team work, and building self-esteem. Teaching the game and as a result learning how to keep score is part of the game. Nobody is stopping the kid from playing golf. They're just trying to enforce a reasonable set of rules for their own tournamen Teaching/learning/scoring etc are peripheral to the essential feature involved: playing golf better than anyone else in the competition. Does letting someone keep score for him give him an unfair advantage in achieving that goal? The answer is no. Why is it important to realize how to score properly when someone else can do it just as well? I can't tell that this is any different than requiring baseball players to keep their own box scores. This is just as irrelevant to the game itself. ------------------ Clutchcity.net... source for all your Rockets, Astros, political, music, humor, and Gordita news.
Dreamer you are very appropriately named people care more about the Rule of rules than people I think the rules have become more important than the people Rocket River ------------------
Well baseball has an official scorer and there are no team penalties for scoring mistakes. Pro golfers make mistakes on their cards so I imagine kids make even more mistakes which certainly makes it an advantage for this kid to have someone score for him. Should we let the next autistic Joe Montana have his parents in the high school huddle to call plays for him? ------------------ First the Sopranos and now Eddie Griffin... thank you New Jersey!
Actually, the pro scorers make the mistakes. Pro golfers don't keep their own scores, they simply verify that the scores are correct. Generally, pro golfers simply sign the card trusting that their "scorer" correctly scored the game. ------------------ Why not visit MovieForums.com? Or FilmDallas.com?
Actually, my son's youth football team does have the coaches come into the huddle to call the plays, and the coach was the QB's father, so we're already doing that in youth sports even for non-disabled players. And none of the kids ever know what the score of the game was after its over. ------------------ Why not visit MovieForums.com? Or FilmDallas.com?
i think this is a horrible decision by the tampa golf association. Golf needs to get out of the stone ages, you have perhaps the greatest athlete overall today residing in your sport, which attractsmore people to your game, yet through the stupid rules, you just drive many of them away again. I favored Casey Martin when that issue came out and I favor the boy now. I understand fully about disabilities I have one myself. Cerebral Palsy. Granted, I can live my life now exactly like anyone else and unless I tell people they would never suspect it, but it took years of therapy for me to improve the left side of my body(the weak side) and to top it off until i was 12 or 13 i had recurring seizures, do to epilepsy. Overall, I just think these kids are not hurting the integrity of the sport by playing so instead of repressing them like Golf continues to do so far, embrace them and who knows maybe someday the sport will become one of the most popular in the country and the world. ------------------ How Sweet It Is! How Sweet It Is! Gene Peterson on the rockets winning the 1995 championship over the Orlando Magic
Exactly The thing is Golfers are looking like complete elitist asses. Trying to bare the 'inferiors' out of the game. Rocket River 'If I only play sports. . . ' - that girls commercial thing ------------------
I've got to go out-of-town now, so I won't be able to continue this argument. I just didn't want you to take my silence on the issue for the next several days to mean that I was conceding the argument to those who disagree with me (as I am obviously right ) ------------------ Why not visit MovieForums.com? Or FilmDallas.com?
That's why the quarterback play in the NFL is so bad nowadays! ------------------ First the Sopranos and now Eddie Griffin... thank you New Jersey!
