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French to Ban women covering face

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by sw847, May 19, 2010.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Nobody asked you to accept Islam, but your post on what you believe to be the teachings of Islam only shows you have no idea what Islam is on even the most basic level.

    You have no idea what Islam teaches, and most of what you claim that Islam teaches, it doesn't. The nation with the largest Islamic population not didn't oppress women, but had a female leader as it's head of state years ago, which is something the US hasn't even done.
     
  2. Cowboy_Bebop

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    LOL. You are too funny. Accepting all the thing you consider are positive about Islam but turning a blind eye against what's Islam is turning into. Maybe you need a little bomb scare in your area open up your eyes.

    It's freaking hilarious that many muslims were so eager to riot and condemn that Danish cartoonist for making fun of Muhammad but hardly give a damn after he was murdered. If you want me or others to buy into your religion. Show it in a peaceful and educated rally instead of inciting the people to go out and get revenge.
     
  3. Joshfast

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    I also agree with this but not exactly in this situation. If France has freedom of religion, it's normal (for muslim's) everywhere else in the world, and part of their belief structure - France just comes off as scared. I might be too if I lost my country to outside invaders twice in the last century or so.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    My religion is Christianity. I was living in NYC for 9/11, so I've had a major bomb scare.

    Again, you are misinformed A huge majority Muslims didn't riot against a Danish cartoonist.

    As for showing something to be educated, you might want to educate yourself a bit on what Islam actually teaches, and what the majority of Muslims actually believe before talking about it.

    You aren't really being the best model for showing anything to be educated right now.
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    A law like this I predict will have the opposite effect of making Muslims integrate into French culture. It will instead alienate them from the rest of the culture and guarentee resentment on the part of both Muslims and the rest of French society.

    If the French want people to integrate into their values of Liberte, Egalite et Fraternite the need to live those values. That includes the freedom to practice religion.
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    Perhaps I missed something but when was the Danish cartoonist killed?
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    Do you know anything about the current state of integration of Muslims into French culture...before the law? Apparently not.
     
  8. ChrisBosh

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    LOL, funny post as usual. I agree that the veil has no place in certain circumstances, where it intrudes on public safety or enforcement of the law. IMO nobody should be wearing it, but I don't see how stopping anyone from wearing it is my right. Also, there is such a small population that does practice this that I don't believe this will stop integration from ocurring. Women had to fight to be able to take it off, now it seems they can't put what they want back on. If someone wants to tatoo their faces, let them do it, if someone wants to wear a cloth over their faces to hide from the world then let them, that's called freedom.
     
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    I think it's more about stopping men from forcing women to wear it. Obviously the problem with that is that there is an assumption that that is the cause for wearing it in a more than negligible amount of cases.
     
  10. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes I do and I would say a lot of that is due to the French taking a heavy handed approach towards trying to forcefully integrate them into French society. It is doing exactly what I said. It is isolating and alienating Muslims from the rest of French society.

    In the US we have a lot of Muslims, not as many as France, but we don't have a permanent Muslim underclass even in areas that have large concentrations of Muslims. In my own neighborhood is a large population of Somali immigrants who don't have nearly the problems that Muslims have in France for one because while they are culturally and religiously different they are not stigmatized for it. They are won over to our culture rather than forced.

    As I've said before the problem with your attitude that I see isn't exactly that you are bigotted but that you are so bound by your own worldview that you are incable of seeing anyother. If anything your attitude is more similar to those that you profess to be oppossed to than actually standing up for the values of diversity, tolerance and freedom.
     
  11. Mr. Clutch

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    We also have a different type of economy than France. My guess is that is one of the reasons for the diffent levels of integration, and France isn't about to go towards US style capitalism.
     
  12. Pharaoh King

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    You really have no earthly idea how pathetic of a human being the makes you look? I am just surprised that you continue to post and try and influence minds with your opinions and want people to take you seriously, but then you admit that you like to sneak in a provocative post or two for chuckles.

    Dude, seriously, grow the hell up or stop complaining that people can see right through that thin veneer of BS you espouse about protecting free speech or the rest.
     
  13. Pharaoh King

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    If integration means assimilating away your faith and your right to freely practice your religion as long as you do not impinge on someone else's right to do so, then I assume the French government will never, ever fully get their way.

    In all seriousness, I think it is time for the more traditionalists among French Muslims to seek asylum somewhere else and live there instead, claiming religious persecution or whatever they believe is happening to them in France. Judging by the numbers posted in the article, if less than 2000 people wear the burqa or the full veil then that number is very small, indeed. Of course, the hijabis or those women who want to wear the basic head veil may want to follow suit if they feel strongly enough about the earlier hijab ban as well. I personally don't think those two things are a big deal, but I fully understand many Muslims would disagree with me on the topic of hijab or the veil. Vote with your feet.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Send them to Germany.

    Right SJC?

    ;)

    DD
     
  15. Pharaoh King

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    Did you not hear? Germany is about to be overtaken by Islam and is scheduled to join the impending Caliphate, like, any day now :grin:

    :eek:
     
  16. Mathloom

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    France sure didn't complain when Muslims brought home the World Cup.
     
  17. Cowboy_Bebop

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    Oh really? I need education? So tell me why Islam/Muslims are so sensitive about people making harmless fun of their religion or people are afraid to make fun of their religion? Just because you've read a couple of verses in the Quran doesn't mean you know all the contradictory about it. You're the one that should be educated because you don't know the whole fact behind the corrupted teaching of Islam. There is a good side and a bad side and religion should never have a bad side but this totally does. So stop preaching me with this BS about what I don't know about Islam since you're the blind one that just want to let it be. For me and many people around the whole aren't going to get push around by a primitive teaching/preaching that does not belong with this time and age.
     
  18. tierre_brown

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    Out of curiosity, what is your religion?
     
  19. Cowboy_Bebop

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    How about some Muslims shouldn't act like total barbarian than there wouldn't be laws set in place to put them in their places?
     
  20. Depressio

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    Smells like intolerant atheism. Surely someone wouldn't call Muslim teachings "primitive fairy tales" while at the same time worshipping the Bible... right?
     

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