So did you read their points? Is claiming that they do not represent the majority of muslims your best argument? (And by the way, neither do the majority of muslims believe that the burqa is in any way required by islam.)
That was not an argument, rather it was just showing how you were giving them credibility just because they were a Muslim organization (hence you bolded "Muslim", not knowing that they are outcaste among the general Muslim population) I'm not for the Niqab at all, I understand how it can hold someone back from becoming a contributing member of society. But so does this..... does not mean they should be banned from choosing to do as they please....as long as it doesn't pose a risk to society I don't see it as a problem.
I have yet to see anyone on this board argue in favor of wearing the burqua. Many are for the freedom of the women to choose, but I haven't seen anyone in favor of actually wearing it.
Absolutely they exist or no women would be wearing the Burqua. I don't understand why anyone would feel the need to require women to wear them, but it doesn't really matter whether I understand it or not. As long as they have the freedom to fulfill or not fulfill their culture as they see fit.
They aren't trying to change France's culture. They aren't asking anyone else to wear them. They are merely trying to hold on to their own traditions which doesn't hurt anyone else.
Good point. This guy also already punished himself enough by making himself look like a complete idiot. I suggest that he wears a burqa at all times so that I will never have to see his stupid face.
Belgium banned all forms of face-covering earlier this year. Other European countries forbid the wearing of ski masks or balaclavas at public demonstrations.
Yes, any kind of face cover has been banned at public demonstrations in Germany for a long time, for instance.
LINK 1) France historically has been bound to a form of secularism that is not America's but that we ought at least to respect. So there's an issue of national culture here that demands some deference. 2) The vote was overwhelming. The opposition Socialists mainly abstained. So there's a matter of democracy here that demands additional deference. 3) Prohibitions against face-covering are not new in Europe. Belgium banned all forms of face-covering earlier this year. Other European countries forbid the wearing of ski masks or balaclavas at public demonstrations. So the argument that this is all about Nicolas Sarkozy's personal political considerations doesn't wash. 4) Just because it's "religion" doesn't mean a state has to permit it. The US bans and prosecutes Mormon polygamy because we believe it's inherently abusive to women and families. In 1990, the Supreme Court ruled in Employment Division v. Smith that the state of Oregon was within its rights to fire a Native American employee who had used peyote as part of a religious ceremony. 5) Just because wearing a burqa or niqab is an "individual choice" also isn't dispositive. If it were, a nudist would be at liberty to walk down the Champs-Elysees wearing nothing but a pair of sneakers. But he isn't. Social norms may be vastly looser today than 50 years ago but they still need to be observed and can be enforced. Plainly the French overwhelmingly believe wearing the burqa/niqab crosses the line. 6) At the core of liberalism is the concept of the individual. Individual choice is important, but ultimately not as important as the individual who makes it. In the public sphere, the individual is defined first by her face; it is the principal way we can recognize her as such. The purpose of the burqa/niqab is not to protect "female modesty," which in Islam (and, indeed, Judaism) can be practiced by covering one's hair. Instead, the purpose is to erase the individual. So to allow the burqa/niqab violates the most basic precept of liberal society. 7) Also violated by the burqa/niqab is the fundamental liberal concept of equality. Only female identity is erased here; only the female half of the population effectively disappears from public view. To suggest that women can be separate but equal.... well, I don't need to spell the rest out. 8) Who are we kidding? You can suppose that some of the women wearing the burqa/niqab genuinely want to do so. But you can be sure many of them do so only out of fear of abusive, sometimes murderous, husbands/brothers/fathers. The incidence of honor killings or of husbands mutilating their wives is on the rise throughout Europe, in part because Europe allows Muslim immigrants to get away with enforcing medieval social norms in their urban ghettos. This ought to be discouraged. 9) Opponents of the ban say only a tiny number of women wear the burqa/niqab, so what's the big deal? You can just as easily argue that it's better to pass this law while the problem is containable. 10) Al Qaeda threatened to attack if the law passed. That alone is reason to pass it.
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The burqa isn't allowed to be worn in schools and universities in Syria by either students, teachers or staff. Interesting.
Born and raised in the US... Why they choose to do so, I dont know honestly... I do know it is their personal choice, and they have the right to do so.
