I don't think the burka is what makes that particular woman subserviant. I think you're protesting/fighting the wrong end of the cause-and-effect train.
wow, i'm disappointed. i'm not muslim. i don't believe God sees women as any different than men in any real sense at all. but to say that it's ok for goverment to stick its nose into people's decisions about what they wear which stem from faith traditions....and then comment directly on the tradition??? wow.
For many muslim women, it's a badge of honor or womanhood born out of shame for their sex. That's a symptom of brainwashing - and that's what you should be focused on. But thegary is correct too; there is nothing wrong with calling it like it is - cultural BS notwithstanding, the motivation for the burka is a mysoginistic dehumanization of women.
no...let them wear that crap around. let them wave swaztikas in the streets and burn the US flag. give them full liberty to present their craptastic viewpoints to the marketplace of ideas. go so far as to protect it under your nation's Constitution. fight to the death to allow them that liberty.
Yes (kind of), and I've read many pro-cultural diversity pieces lamenting it's demonization. You missed the first part of the post you quoted I guess. For those women, they see it as a cultural identity - and the counterpoint is that such a cultural identity was never made an "option" for them, and what it represents is far more insiduous. Wax philosophic all you like about the "rights of cultures", but that hardly impacts my own convictions on what constitutues a proper societal outlook on the liberty of women and their right to be proud of their feminine attributes without fear of reprocussions. You'll note of course, that I never stated I was in favor of the ban - just that I'm not about to pretend it's something it isn't.
i think telling people they can't wear the customary garb of their native culture and faith isn't the role of government. i'm thrilled with the First Amendment.
So your solution to the idea that some women don't have the choice due to peer pressure is to simply take the choice away from all of them by law? How do they choose for themselves if you took the choice away from them? I agree that the pressure to wear them is problematic. But as MadMax pointed out, you're treating the symptom as opposed to the cause. If the men in this communities can't make them wear burkas, they'll find another way to exert dominance. It doesn't address the problem at all.
My answer is yes, I have talked to woman in a Burka, and some hated wearing it and some embraced it. I would like to find a way to where the "Hated wearing it" ones could feel empowered to not have to wear it, wouldn't you? DD
I can see that, so what would you suggest? At least this way, you are empowering the woman that don't want to wear it. And a lot of people are missing the point about France and their VERY SECULAR consitution, we are not talking US Constitution, we are talking French....they are very anti-religion...for a good reason....they have had tons of death and destruction heaped on their country by the Church throughout the ages... I can see why they want to do this... DD
i'm for freedom in all its "garbs" up to a point. i have serious issues with hate and intolerance. justice > freedom IMO.
