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Freedom of religion for non-Muslims in Islamic countries

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Jun 5, 2010.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    You can suggest whatever you want, that will not change the fact that - at least on this BBS - you are a bitter and xenophobic douchebag. Even those who lean to the left and might agree with you on some issues are embarrassed for you.
     
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    Just helping you out, ATW:

    xen·o·pho·bi·a [zen-uh-foh-bee-uh, zee-nuh-]
    –noun
    an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.
     
  3. Batman Jones

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    Xenophobic? Dang, son. Project much?

    Are you still smarting over that Nazi thing? My point was quite clear and I would have to say pretty well made. It is downright bizarre to see a poster from a country in which one specific religion was so recently targeted for discrimination of the very worst sort targeting another religion with the fervor you have. I didn't call you a Nazi or say you were sympathetic with Nazis or anything like that. I said that your extremely anti-everything to do with Islam (or any religion, frankly) attitude is very strange coming from someone whom I'd think would know better as a direct result of the very recent lessons of his native country.

    And you can call me a douchebag all you want. I've never managed to piss off as many people as you have over the last few months. Your recent posts have been laden with insults (not just at Muslims but at well-regarded, polite moderates like Major and Refman and I don't know how many others) nasty enough to make me blush, and I admit to having been for a time the champ at that. You have long since taken that dubious crown.

    Not to mention the fact that you are threatening to overtake the worst poster on this board, the obsessive idiot prince basso, as the poster of the most new threads on a single subject.
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    I'll let people judge that post for themselves. For you to have the nerve to keep making annoying posts after that "masterpiece" instead of simply apologizing and being ashamed is something else.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Read the post above.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    TSchmal, just helping you out with some BBS history (as your current user name indicates you have not been here for too long):

    A post from Batman Jones from 2006 - it's not like he hasn't been doing this for years already.

     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    Hilarious. He complains about insults. Batman Jones complains about insults...and can't help doing it in the very same post.

    Batman Jones complaining about insults is like Kim Jong Il complaining about dictatorship.
     
  8. glynch

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    I am against this double standard. Muslim demanding more religious freedom iin the West than they give to other religions in their countries.

    Of course, I hope you would join me in agreeing and diaproving of how Israelis and many other Jews demand more freedom of religion for Judaism in the West than they are willing to give non-Jews in Israel. For instance only Jewish weddings have full status if performed in Israel. There is a striking difference in their concern for strict separation of church and state in the US when they don't have nearly as much in Israel..
     
  9. rhadamanthus

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    And moons! Wait.... that's no moon.
     
  10. AroundTheWorld

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    glynch, I am not familiar enough with the details of laws in Israel to be able to comment. I am, however, due to the history of my country, more hesitant to criticize what Jews do or what Israel does than I might be with regard to other groups. As a general comment, like you, I am against double standards. But obviously, as some have commented in response to my post you quoted, one has to take historical reasons etc. etc. into account for why things are the way they are.
     
  11. Batman Jones

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    What exactly do you disagree with in that post? Of course I'm not embarrassed by it. I stand by every word. Was it nasty in tone? Sure. It was pretty much perfectly matched in tone for its audience. You.

    You've been littering this forum for the last year or more, though your intensity has increased in recent months, with rabidly anti-Islam threads and posts, riddled with nasty insults all along the way both to Muslims and non-Muslims, that literally define xenophobia. I'd have posted the exact same thing to you if you were beating up on Jews, Mormons or any other religious people.

    I don't have any fear or hatred of anything strange or foreign. I only hate a hater. That's you all over, brother. You are the textbook definition of a xenophobic bigot. This kind of religious bigotry is not normally allowed to exist on this forum, and certainly not in the volume for which you've singlehandedly been responsible. If your bigotry was directed at any other religion besides Islam (the last religion its okay to bash thusly), you'd have been banned for it long ago.
     
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  12. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    ATW, don't you think that there's an overwhelming number of people, a lot of whom are not buddies and do not like each other, who think you are unfairly biased against Islam?

    Really, not meant to offend, just wondering..
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

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    You "stand by every word"? Just shows that you are incapable of self-reflection.

    You of all people talking about littering this forum?

    First of all, you of all people, complaining about insults again? Saying pot, kettle, black is not enough to describe this. Secondly, this is simply factually incorrect. My threads are not "rabidly anti-Islam". If anything, I am spending more time listening to what the Muslim posters have to say and trying to follow their way of thinking than most people would care to. The only valid point (and valid criticism) you have is that I started a lot of threads surrounding the same topic in recent months.


    You are such an obvious hypocrite. I just quoted a post from you from February 2006, and there are quite a few more, in which you insulted me on the lowest level. You would look for any reason to try and get me, simply because you are a bitter individual who will hold a grudge a very, very long time after you have been owned repeatedly and in various discussions. The funny part about it is how you always try to position yourself as morally superior (defending the poor Muslims, etc.), but while doing so, you expose your own prejudice.

    You of all people talking about who should be banned? Do you want me to pull up more of your posting history, not only since the D&D was created? You are one of the reasons why the D&D had to be created in the first place! I'm neither a xenophobic bigot, nor a hater. You can throw insults around all you want, but it's simply not true.

    Also, I responded in detail to your xenophobic post, it seems like you missed that.

     
  14. AroundTheWorld

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    I know that I am not, so this does not worry me. I find the responses my posts elicit interesting - and in some cases telling. The "overwhelming" number of people you refer to has more to do with the make-up of the audience of this sub-forum than with anything else.
     
  15. showtang043

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    man we had a progressive positive vibe going for the post and then bam...back to this, unfortunate
     
  16. AroundTheWorld

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    Send your thank you note to Batman Jones ;). I doubt he even read the thread and realized that we were having a productive discussion - he just came in to be a troll, as usual.
     
  17. rhadamanthus

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    Keep posting ATW. I don't agree with your vitriol all the time but the discussions associated are very interesting.

    More importantly, thanks to all the muslim posters who are willing to take the time and engage in the conversations, even if the tonality is hostile.
     
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    yea too bad, it was a good productive decision, glad to have had it while it lasted. Im out like lebron every year in the playoffs
     
  19. showtang043

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    Lets see if we can get this back on track folks, just like in politics, religion, the same applies to the clutchfans boards...haha, pointing fingers won't get us anywhere, lets move on

    anyways, for those who might be interested, let me throw a couple of interesting reads on islam:

    Carl Ernst, Following Muhammad:
    Rethinking Islam for Contemporary Times as well as a forthcoming book, Infidel of Love: Exploring Muslim Understandings of Islam

    enjoy
     
  20. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    What make up of this board? What positive Muslim bias could there possibly be here?

    Anyways, you know you're not, and you find the posts interesting. That's odd. THink of people in history who have this mindset:

    - I know I'm right
    - I enjoy watching the reaction to my action
    - The reason a lot of people disagree is because of the make-up of the population

    It's worth thinking about. Seriously, no attack, no insult, no offense, but it's really worth thinking about.
     

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