Nothing here that conflicts with what I am saying. As I said, my wife is fractionally Native American. We get along great. Joke and laugh all the time. That doesn't mean Europeans and Native Americans have a stirling history of racial relations.
oh ya, my bad. i read your earlier post. got too lazy too read everything now. too much going on in these threads. but along the same line. actually a portion of the middle class and those make a decent living pretty much integrated into the society. they speak fluent chinese. it's hard to tell if they are non-han if they dress modern. however, those who don't speak mandarin are at dis-advantage. it's harder for them to get a regular job and integrate into the society. that's a big part of the cause for the riots actually. although, the ethnic group that i sort of belong, in their ancester land, are just as poor as tibetans. no problems there. so we'll see in a few years after the government pour more money into these poor areas. it'll probably get better. one difficulty is that, poor area in china means, regions with massive mountains. if you've ever been to china, pretty much everywhere are mountains. it's hard to develop roads and electricity lines and such. it really needs money from the central government to get it done.
You guys can see some so called just-western media reports about Tiebt from this web: http://www.anti-cnn.com/ And you can watch video of mobs in Lhasa. http://video.sina.com.cn/news/c/bn/2008-03-20/224313622.shtml
Obviously, the Chinese government has ramped up its propaganda machine as well, not to be outdone by the protesters. They're showing videos of their forces coming under attack and not firing back at the protesters, not to mention videos of their security forces ushering foreigners (in that particular video it was Japanese tourists) to safety, all designed to gain the world's sympathy. I'm not taking sides here but a fair warning: the protesters aren't necessarily the 'good guys' here. I know it's easy to fall into that trap, but it's not always the "poor, downtrodden and repressed" minority that's in the 'right'. It's been my personal experience that the vast majority of the time all sides involved are 'guilty' at one level or another, and that no one is a saint.
Um yes. And you are several hundred years too late. After the initial purging of Hans by Manchus, they realized they can't run the country effectively with their nomadic lifestyle and adopted a Han style government (much like the Mongolians). Qing Emperors, most notably Kangxi were great admirers of Han culture, adopting Han religions, literature, art, etc. They of course tried their miserable failure of "Han style rule without Hans power" to stay in power, which eventually ruined them as China fell so far behind the West just because their desire to keep Hans out of power. So cultural integration already became true in early Qing Dynasty. What you described is nothing more than a power struggle, nothing unlike other power struggles to become the emperor in China. In fact, if Zhang Xueliang didn't come back into the fold, there was nothing the Republican central government could have done to bring the Northeast back under Chinese rule in the short term, especially with the Japanese on their backs. So if you intended to use that as a proof of lack of desire for cultural integration between Hans and Manchus, it wasn't a very good one. But one more thing I forgot to mention in my last post was, I just love your definition of accountability. So if you kill 90% of Native Americans, apologize, then claim them as part of American culture, you don't have to give their land back? Of course Native Americans are part of American culture. It is their land. They aren't part of European Americans culture though. But you know, that's good. Cuz Tibetan culture is VERY MUCH a part of Chinese culture. Hell, they're all Chinese citizens. They are not part of the Han culture, but they are of Chinese culture. If that is all it takes, I think the Chinese government is willing to apologize now, 100 years (your figure) before they are marginalized. See? We are improving.
I see a lot of comparisons here by the PRC supporters to justify what is happening in Tibet based on what happened to Native Americans. Many Americans recognize what happened to the Native Americans was wrong and in the past few decades there has been an attempt to address that. While the past can't be undone efforts to give actually put some teeth into tribal soveriegnity have been underway. For instance reservations cannot be settled by anyone and tribes are given a wide latitude to enforce their own laws especially in regards to culture. This is why tribes are allowed to start casinos as their lands aren't subject to state laws. At the same time tribes can strictly enforce their own standards on memberships and leadership along with asserting their rights to natural resources in tribal lands. While all of this might be little comfort in regard to genocide of most Native Americans it does show that the Americans and US government recognize that Native Americans have been wronged.
To a certain point that is true and that is why the Dalai Lama is condemning the violence and has continued to preach for non-violence. I don't condone the violence on the part of the Tibetans but as I've noted in other threads there has been far less violence on the part of the Tibetans as compared to other resistance movements. The PRC though has never rewarded Tibetan non-violence with even reasonable negotiation so it shouldn't be a surprise that there are many Tibetans who feel very frustrated by the situation.
