extremist is the key word, NJ. adeel is here saying that their actions were NOT in line with true Islam...or the Koran. he's saying they are the ones off-base. grouping all Muslims together and saying them and the Koran are all the problem is not fair.
umm no you know these little smartass remarks can be used to put down anyone, even americans fight for freedom as in "killing off the indians, segregating the blacks, killing innocent iraqi's, going to wars for no reason" etc etc. can you please reword that question, i dont understand what your trying to ask jihadists? what in the heck is that. Please stop trying to use words when you dont know the meaning of it. I think the word you were going for is TERRORISTS? and yes these terrorists claim to be followers of true islam, but they clearly are not as they go against one of the fundamentals of islam, killing innocents is "HARAAM"(meaning NOT ALLOWED at all) lemme tell you a little tidbit . the prophet mohammad (pbuh) forbade the killing of any innocents, children, women, and older men when going to war. these people who blow themselves up and innocents are clearly not following the commands of the prophet and islam.
You have the same mentality as a terrorist. Instead of realizing everybody is unique and not all Muslims are terrorists, you lump Muslims and terrorists into the same group. Just like the terrorists lumping all Americans together as infidels instead of focusing on the few who actually were involved with the Middle East.
so because some EXTREMISTS/terrorists (please dont attach the muslim word to their names your gunna disrespect the other passive, peaceful muslims? you know, i could just as well say, the christian nazi's, but i realize that this is not fair, because they go against what christianity teaches. even tho they still claimed to be christians. so you still believe saddam hussein blew up the WTC's?
What the **** did I say to get lumped into your ugly american category? Please point out what I said that made you SLANDER me and lump me into that category. I said NOTHING of the sort. You need to read MUCH more carefully before tossing out allegations like that. Thanks for the canadian know-it-all speech, though.
guess now you know how it feels to be called a terrorist/extremist, and then your religion be bashed for no reson.
adeel -- i will readily admit there is stuff in the Koran I find troubling. of course, there's stuff in the Bible that is troubling, as well.....it's just that usually those things are told in stories. they're not direct commands from God through a prophet to go and do something that i find creepy. some things in the Koran that i have concern with: O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54 It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67 When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5 Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 These quotes concern me. I'm not calling you out...in fact I've defended you. But I've never really gotten a clear answer on these. I don't know if you're a "relgious scholar" or not...perhaps I'd be better served going to the local mosque and asking them about it. But I think its verses like these that cause people to question...which is healthy....and I think it's good that you're promoting increased communication. Because if these sorts of questions aren't honestly addressed, then we live in fear and hate of what we don't know.
thegary -- I hope you realize the difference between your two isolated examples which are over 10 years old and the THRONGS of militant muslims that the world is having to deal with right now. Not even close to being comparable. There were legitimately millions of muslims who celebrated 911.
Since we are arguing about people disrespecting Quran, my point is some Muslims according to you "are clearly not following the commands of the prophet and islam", are they not disrespecting the Quran? People will use whatever reason to further their own agenda, which includes using religion. With today's communication medium, a relative few number of people can influence a lot of people. I assume you would consider Bin Laden is a EXTREMIST/terrorist, why do you think he is so popular in a lot of the Muslim countries?
It is funny that some people are bashing Islam, and yet in this thread it is was people who are of a different faith than Islam who started the disrespect and insulting. The Islamic members in this thread did nothing except try and dispell ignorance. The thread turned ugly after the actions of someone who isn't a muslim. The ugliness was addressed toward the muslims, not eminating from them. Somewhere in that NJ's message gets lost.
i get your point, but the nazi's were actually pretty anti-christian if im not mistaken. hitler hated the church. unlike bin laden and the other islamic fanatics, the nazi's didnt commit their atrocities in the name of religion or god. they didnt cite the bible as a rationale to murder. and why is giving away qurans even an issue? what is to be debated here? that they should or should not be doing this? did anybody not think that this thread would once again turn into a debate over islam/opportunity for muslim bashing? adeel - just seems to me like you were looking for trouble here.
i think the hope behind it was that the more information you have (a copy of the Koran) the more likely you are to see that the religion is not the problem..but rather those who've hijacked the religion. i think that's exactly the kind of communication that needs to be shared, frankly.
agreed max. but it is really not ANY religion's fault, EVER. it is fuct-up people who are to blame. i don't blame christianity for koresh, as i know you don't. that's the reason i posted the mc veigh pic, that and the fact that he was retaliating for waco.
It's more his view than the WORLD's view. After all, there are many immigrants into the US. I doubt they think they are going to live in a place where they are hated.
