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Free Agent 08-09: Sam Cassell

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, May 23, 2008.

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Sam I Am next year?

  1. Yes - he's automatically the best shooter on our bench

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  2. No - Sam's too old

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  1. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    Hey Horry is doing well in San Antonio (cause Popovich isn't stupid like Rivers) in limited minutes. Why can't we get Sam in for the cheap?

    let's just say that Steve Francis miraculously gets better, he can play the 2 and Sam can play the 1 coming off the bench. plus brooks will get his minutes cause Sam is old, and he'll get "robert horry" minutes in the regular season.
     
  2. pmac

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    Robert Horry still plays in the regular season? He's got 7 of dem thangs now. Once you pass Jordan, you're above the regular season.
     
  3. The_Yoyo

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    i am not sure how much cassell has left he seems to be good for a half season worth of productive bench minutes right now.

    you know what though? I would LOVE to have cassell back as an assistant coach training rafer, brooks, francis, head on playing PG in the league. He also would not be afraid to get in Tmac's face when he does something bad.


    Doc Rivers is a TERRIBLE coach its no surprise that he finally got his first playoff series win this year. His inability to coach is really shown, there should be no way the celtics should have played two 7 game series already with the talent they have a lot has to do with prep work by the coaches. Tibs does his part with the defense, but the offense is all Doc. He should be thanking Tmac for the one COY he has (which shows how much of a sham that award is)


    I hope Tibs gets a head coaching gig (chicago looking REAL good right now) to really expose Rivers as the poor coach he is
     
  4. tinman

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    Hey Lindsay Hunter is old too and look how well he played last night.
     
  5. steddinotayto

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    Lindsay Hunter is also in much better shape and can actually play defense.

    Sorry, Tinman, we already have an injury-plagued, past-his-prime point guard racking up DNP-CD next year and his name is Steve Francis
     
  6. tinman

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    Yeah Sam wants to be a coach anyways, why not here learning from Adelman?

    Forget not playing Sam. Doc Rivers shows his terrible coaching throughout the playoffs. Look at the Lakers and the Spurs, the ball movement and the correct substitutions happen.

    Letting Paul Pierce play one-on-one while KG is just standing there is terrible. They should go down low with KG and let him make the decision. And Rondo should be driving the ball like Parker and break down the defense to free up his guys. Either that or make Ray Allen the point, he's a good ball handler instead of having him just hang around the 3 point line.

    This reminds me of Rafer on how terrible he looked under JVG and how he looks like our 2nd best guard under Adelman.
     
  7. steddinotayto

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    sometimes when the camera pans on Cassell during the playoffs, I can see the "Wow, this Rivers guy is quite possibly the worst coach I've ever played for in my entire life" look
     
  8. Air Langhi

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    Rafer was pretty mediocre this year as well unfortunately he is our best option. KG has never proven he can carry a team anywhere.
     
  9. tinman

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    What?! This was Rafer's best year as a Rocket.
     
  10. pmac

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    That award always goes to the guy coaching the team that played much better than anyone thought they would. I think your getting you're years mixed up, though. I thought he won it the year before Tmac got there...

    I agree with you though, Doc sucks. He's one of those coaches that has no idea how to coach stars. You can see it with the celtics, he doesn't know where to put his stars in a position to score. He is so focused on a team concept that he can't get the most out of his stars. He's like JVG and Larry Brown but on a lesser leve. I prefer the coaches that build their offense around the stars of the team, all the great coaches do it that way.
     
  11. pmac

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    I just don't get this argument. I think if you swap Duncan for KG, the Spurs still have a dynasty. If you swap Kobe for Tmac the Lakers still get championships. Luck has alot to do with it.
     
  12. steddinotayto

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    Are you basing this on stats or on the notion that Garnett can replicate Duncan's low post game and that McGrady has the same non-stop motor that Kobe has?
     
  13. ibm

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    swap kg with td the spurs would have made it once at the most, in my reckoning. his low post game is as good as, errr, kenyon martin's.
     
  14. ibm

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    to the op - just admit it, other than that it can bring you back some "good ol' feelings from the past", sigining sam now does us no good.
     
  15. pmac

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    Naw...you got me all wrong. Timmy and Kobe are complete beasts and obviously better than KG and Tmac. I just think that they have both had really good teams around them where as KG and Tmac haven't had near that level of talent playing with them.

    Heck, shaq probably could have won with Vince Carter on his team.
     
  16. steddinotayto

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    Well you kinda answered my question: The reason why Duncan and Kobe got rings on their fingers IS because they're beasts and are better than Garnett and McGrady so the talent around them becomes a secondary thought.

    Garnett couldn't win with equal talent when he had Cassell and Spreewell years back and that was a VERY good team. Reason why they couldn't make it past the Lakers? Cassell was more crucial to their success than Garnett was apparently. And even right now, Garnett is STILL looking for his teammates to bail him out (ref: Game 7 against the Cavs). Some might say he's just an unselfish player, I say he's just a non-imposing player.

    McGrady, I'll give you that. I think if he was paired with O'Neal, they would have gotten at least one together. I highly doubt they would have gone on a three peat though.
     
  17. tinman

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    That sounds like another who's better post:

    Tmac & KG vs Kobe & Duncan
     
  18. tinman

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    Good historical point steddinotayto,
    The critical game vs Rick Adelman's Kings and Mike Bibby,
    Sam dropped 40 points.

    KG and Webber were pretty much even, slight advantage to KG, but Cassell was the factor over Bibby. After that series, Bibby was never the same 'elite' point guard that people thought he was.
     
  19. pmac

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    I don't know...i guess its just a difference of opinion. I think alot of players get more passive when they get older. Even Tim Duncan has been shying away lately (didn't he have 5 pts in a game this post season). I just don't like the way us fans undervalue some guys just because they haven't won it all before. Most of those Spurs teams and probably all of the Lakers teams would have been decent playoff teams w/o Duncan and Kobe.
     
  20. steddinotayto

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    That's easy:

    2-on-2 pickup game by 1s and 2s. Due to their athleticism, TMac/KG are up 13-12 and has the ball. McGrady, on one of those patented mental lapses, launches a 2 pointer...CLANG. Duncan rebounds, passes back to Kobe. Kobe gets a pick from Duncan, takes an open jumper..SWISH! 13 all. Duncan inbounds the ball to Kobe. Kobe waits for Duncan to set up down on the low post. Duncan gets the ball, backs Garnett down, and turns towards the baseline for an easy point. 14-13 Team Sprite. Duncan inbounds the ball to Kobe, Kobe drives to the hoop and gets blocked by McGrady. McGrady takes the ball back, calls for a screen from Garnett. Garnett screens, McGrady drives to the hoop, passes back to Garnett for his patented I-can-only-shoot-out-here-eventhough-I'm-7-foot-tall 18 footer. SWISH! game is tied. Both teams decides to play straight up without deuces. Garnett inbounds the ball to McGrady. One final shot will do. McGrady gets a pick from Garnett, drives to the hoop for an open layup..BUT passes back to a befuddled Garnett, who pump fakes Duncan up in the air for an open shot...BUT passes back to McGrady across the court! Now McGrady has the ball and decides to take a turnaround fadeway..with no one on him. CLANG! KG grabs the rebound and has an open dunk...BUT passes the ball back out to McGrady again! By now, Duncan and Kobe are looking at eachother wondering what's going on. McGrady has the ball...dribble between the legs on Kobe and pulls up for another uncontested fadeaway jumper..CLANG! Garnett grabs ANOTHER rebound and passes AGAIN! But this time, he hits his chest with his fist signaling "Heart". McGrady, looking mightily confused and angry, decides to take it to the rack between Duncan and Kobe. But instead of throwing it down, TMac yells out in agonizing pain and throws the ball up...expecting for a ref to bail him out...but...there's no ref in a pick up game. Kobe goes up and grabs the ball, takes the ball back, waits at the 3 point line, smiles, and shoots...GAME.
     

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