If he is on the team he is playing 40 mpg as Ime is in love with him. He needs to be gone to save Ime from himself. Paying him less doesnt matter as he will still play 40 mins at the expense of someone else, maybe Jalen or Amen. I've had enough of the worst player playing the most minutes. Dude shot 0/6 still got a 2 min rest thru 3 quarters, thats a freaking joke. What drop off in team execution? As is we have one of the worst offenses in the NBA, we are among the least efficient scoring teams we only win with defense and with extra possessions via scrappiness. If FVV is gone we can run offense thru Sengun and Amen/Jalen. I highly doubt theres gonna be a dropoff IMO it would actually be an improvement.
I completely agree. We will have more turnovers and that is what Ime is afraid of. Fvv also probably does help with defensive assignments. The bottom line is we are not a contender with or without FVV. This year should be about finding out about our young players and informing our off-season moves. FVV playing monster minutes is holding back our team now and in the future.
Honestly think the TOs are overblown. Every bricked shot by FVV is also a turnover and is even worse as it leads to opponent fast breaks whereas TOs give the team time to set up defense. Rockets can play 5 competent defenders almost all the time so a defensive call man isnt really needed, and you can see DB also barking at people on defense so he already does the defensive QB duties.
I'm like 90% on team "FVV needs to reduce his role significantly for this team to finally figure out the true long term offensive identity" but I do think the only reason we aren't bottom 10 in offensive rating is the possession game of low turnovers and high amount of defensive stop, steals and offensive boards and Fred is a big part of two of those things(defensive stops and low turnovers).
Amen would be better at all the defensive stuff you mentioned. He would have more turnovers, but he wouldn't be bricking 3 pters at the same rate which would even out the turnover stat. I can't wait for FVV to off this team.
You realize Steph Curry, Steve Nash and Lebron James are among the league leaders in turnover right? I think Lebron is the all time leader in TOs yet he is among the most efficient scorers of all time. Turnovers are overrated. If you have a bricked shot thats basically a worse turnover. FVV is at 50% TS thats among the worst TS in the league. Sure its not a turnover but its a bricked shot which is worse. FVV is def part of that defensive effort but the guys around him are also part of that defense, in fact among Amen, Tari, DB, JG and him I consider FVV the worst defender in that group.
Last year FVV was great for us but thats because he was a much better scorer, dude was at 56.8% TS basically he was near Fox level. If we had that FVV with this group we'd be 1st seed easy. Unfortunately we got washed FVV this year. The drop off from 56.8 to 49.7 is ridiculous. Is FVV injured? What the hell is up with him wtf.
I haven't done the math, but if we were to get like 1/3 of the possible rebounds on our own missed shots AND if we were really good at transition defense (I believe both statements to be true), the missed shots (from whomever) don't hurt quite as much (still annoying, of course). Doesn't need to be Fred himself who gets the offensive rebounds.
Ah yes, Jalen's 0.5 offensive rebounds per game contributes so much more than FVV's 0.8 offensive rebounds per game.... Unless you mean Jalen misses more shots, contributing more to creating offensive rebound opportunities for others.
the whole offensive rebounding argument is just a silly rationalization to forgive our horrible shooting. Our 3 pt shooting being horrible is not off-set by anything. It is just horrible.
Sengun pulling up the Angel Reese move, thus inflating the Rockets' offensive rebounds if you miss a lot at the paint, of course there's a higher percentage of rebounding your own ''miss''
FVV is just being FVV, you can already tell that he is an inefficient scorer a few years back (I am pretty sure Raptors fans can elaborate a bit more here). I just didn't see that he could be this inefficient in shooting this season. At the same time, to be an efficient scorer is also not the main reason why Rockets hired him. Given the team's performance so far these two years, I would still consider the contract we offered him at the first place is OK. FVV is not in the long-term plan anyway, let's just be patient and wait. If good trade opportunities emerge, I think the mangement will make a move regarding him. Anyway, his coaching responsibilities will be more or less done here approaching the end of this season, it's time for an upgrade and refresh.
I believe his contract has a team option for next year right? I would imagine the Rockets will for sure decline it and get $40M+ off the books next year...I hope.
I understand that FVV has shot the ball really poorly this year. He's at 49.7% TS% this year and was 56.8% last year. I believe both were outliers and he will get back to the 54.4% range he averages for his career. FVV is 30 and I don't see any debilitating injury. So, I don't think this is the start of some massive decline. In fact, that usually starts on the defensive side, where he's still been good this year. I'd bet quite a bit of money that he shoots better than 49.7% TS% next year. I think it's more likely that he has a bounce back year next year and the best way to take advantage of this situation is to get him on a bargain contract. I think he's taylor made to be a steady role player PG next to a star perimeter player. Even if he continued to play a lot of minutes it would be less of an issue with someone else taking the majority of the load offensively.
I hope so. He plays the most minutes so he is basically the Rox franchise player rn. We go as far as FVV plays. My worry is maybe the quick pace is whats hurting FVV nos since thats the only thing we changed. If he cant play at a fast pace then he doesnt fit this team.
Getting offensive rebounds is a skill though so while you are increasing the amount of rebounds up for grabs via bricking, you only get those rebs from your opponent due to your rebounding skill. If they werent good rebounders those would just be def rebs for the opponent.
I hope they decline the option and lock him at 5/150 FVV is super important to this team. His poor shooting this year opens the possibility of getting him on a long-term deal. If we make him a FA, I doubt he gets an offer of more than 30M per. So it’s a good silver lining and an opportunity.
That is the crux of the matter. He does not fit this team even when he is playing well. He was the perfect stop gap signee and I had no problem when they signed him or what he brought to the team last year. The drafting of Amen and the extension of Jalen should be a signal that this team wants to play fast. They need to see if Jalen will improve with a different running mate and they need to find that out now, not next year.
