Who's giving him more than the MLE on the market? The Nets are the only team with big capspace, but they are tanking another year so pretty pointless to overpay him the way the Rockets did. The price to beat is basically a 4yr contract starting at $14.8mil from a contender. But the Rockets may also be that contender and can pay him slightly more.
I don't think keeping Fred on his current deal is really viable or advisable; the repeater luxury tax rules kick in when you've paid the tax in 3 out of the past 4 years, whether you were $1 over the tax or well over the second apron. In order to get out of the repeater tax, you have to have two consecutive years of paying no tax; that's an absolute eternity in NBA terms, and will just get harder for this team as Sengun/Green start moving on to their third contracts. Delaying the repeater tax for one more year opens a 3-year window between 2026 - 2029, before we might see a teardown/selloff/rebuild of this current core. I think it's a mistake to move that up a year early just to maintain flexibility on FVV. If he's at $44M, then even dumping Landale/Holiday/Adams/#10 for zero salary back puts you in a very awkward spot where you'll need 6 veteran minimum salaries plus the core 7/Brooks/FVV, and would still need to play games with two-ways like Dallas did this year. If you're going to pay the luxury tax this year, then it had better be because you're taking a huge swing, and starting your contention clock immediately (such as for KD or Giannis).
Gladly will do your challenge. Using depth chart here- https://www.espn.com/nba/depth I got for sure- De'Angelo Russel, KJ Simpson, Kevin Porter Jr, Mike Conley, Jose Alvarado, Jared Butler, Cory Joseph, Chris Paul (current version), Isaiah Collier, Bub Carrington, Keon Ellis There's some guys on there listed at PG that I think could easily slide over to SG or SF and look great next to FVV too- Klay, Luka, Booker, Giddey
They are asking for a first round pick - doesn't mean they will get it and they will likely have to take some salary back as well. Holiday is a HOFer IMO and one of the 5 best defensive point guards I have ever seen - but he is in his mid 30's already and has started to slow down. His deal has three years left on it.
I don’t consider KPJ as a starting PG. It was just because Holiday was hurt. In fact, Joseph, Butler, Simpson, and Ellis were not starting Pg’s most of the year and won’t be to start next year. Bub and Collier were rookies and 100% of teams would rather trade for those 2 players over FVV. Even if I accept your picks that is only 11 out of 32 teams. So you want to pay 30m to a bottom third PG?
I want Jalen gone as I think he is an anchor that is holding this team back, but even I wouldn't do that. DD
On the other side of the bargaining table, the Rockets are over the cap, and don't have another option that only costs the owner money and early Bird rights.
I'm happy we're getting a championship caliber pg in return. We're actually getting an asset for getting rid of Jalen.
A lot of those guys you listed are much younger than FVV who have not entered their prime. Guys like Barret, Vassell and Rozier (players that are not as good as FVV IMO) make less than 30M. Some of those contracts are considered overpaid. Holiday signed his contract when he was 30 and now Boston wants to unload him. Simmons got his contract before his career fell off a cliff. With a down season he had, I am not sure if FVV can get more than 30M in the open market. My feeling is that a veteran guard at FVV's skill level is not too difficult for teams to get. The teams I can think of that maybe need a steady hand veteran starting PG like Fred are Kings, Blazers, Suns, and Wizards. Looks like it's a buyer's market. Some teams may want him to fill a backup role. But they are not going to pay that much for a bench player.
man. I guess I’m on an island. If we sign Fred to $30 mil I think we overpaid by a significant amount and it’s a damn shame. Fred is a declining player. His availability will be a big question for the life of his next contract. I watched almost every game he played last yr. Maybe I need to get my eyes checked.
An older player that doesn’t shoot well from three will not help the Rockets, nonetheless the money that comes with it.
They just have to get below 2nd apron to aggregate players. If they renounce Blake Griffin & Mfiondu Kabengele contracts that apparently gets them below 2nd apron. So it works in Fanspo. But, yes... works as 2 separate trades as well.
Darius Garland would be great, I think he will be too pricey though. Ty Jerome might be good, but I saw some things in the playoffs that might make me question him being a legit point guard.
I'm saying it's a "no win" situation. I / we saw Harden call off screens by Capela because both defenders would stay on him. We / Clutchfans criticized Harden for trying too hard to dribble against those defenders or when teams blitzed Harden as soon as he crossed mid court. Supposedly Stars need to beat multiple defenders geared to force the ball out of their hands and also take what the defense gives them....pass it to open teammates. Said open teammates are suppose to carry the team in the stars place. Harden was told beat those 3 or 4 defenders and be a star.....instead he had 13 turnovers in Game 5 in the 2015 playoff game. Struggled with scoring and FG%. Called a choker. Jalen did what he was suppose to do.....take what the defense gave him. Game 1 Jalen was Deer in the Headlights. 1st time in Playoffs Game 2 Quintin Post played Drop Coverage and JG4 burned them x 38 points. rest of series Warriors said we are going to take the ball out of Jalens hands and force the rest of the team to beat us. I'VE BEEN SAYING WHAT PLAYOFF TEAMS WOULD DO AGAINST US SINCE THE TRADE DEADLINE. TRY TO TAKE AWAY OPTION #1 AND #2 (JALEN AND SENGUN) OTHERS WOULD NEED TO MAKE THEIR SHOTS AS THEY PACK THE PAINT. ONLY REASON SENGUN AND AMEN WERE NOT SHUT DOWN WAS BECAUSE STEVEN ADAMS DEMANDED SO MUCH ATTENTION. But VanVleet was treated like a #5 option and got his looks or open shots. An FYI. While Jalen Green and VanVleet were 67 NBA percentile and 53 NBA percentile in Pick-n-Roll as Ball Handlers in the regular season; Sengun was 29.3 NBA percentile in the regular season and 29.6 in NBA percentile in the Playoffs and Steven Adams was 7.5 in NBA percentile during the regular season, 0.0 NBA percentile in the Playoffs. PnR ball handler 24/25: VanVleet 93.1 NBA percentile, Jalen Green 82.5 NBA percentile [ Playoffs ]. One was left open while the other was blitzed. Absolutely no help from Adams and Sengun as roll men. *I said the Rockets need to forget about star chasing this summer and bring in a Cameron Johnson, Trey Murphy. Jerami Grant, John Collins (if not hurt). I knew Dillon Brooks couldn't carry us once option #1 & #2 were shut down or somewhat shut down. Its still hard for playoff teams to shut down 3 facilitators slash scorers. If we do get a Durant or Giannis......Jalen Green won't have to contend vs the top SF defenders. Green can beat most SG's defending him. Exceptions are Dort, Gary Payton, Jrue Holiday and a few others.
Jrue Holiday is 35 and beyond washed, and he still has 3 more years left on his deal making big money with a PO as much as I can’t stand FVV, the Rockets are truly fcked if these are the other options
