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Frank Vogel may be available... (UPDATE: Vogel out in Indiana)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Snow Villiers, May 1, 2016.

  1. Deuce

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    that's some pretty compelling reasoning. Tell me more.
     
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  3. Pizza_Da_Hut

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    I don't know how in the same breath you can attack Vogel but defend Jackson. I think what Vogel has done is equivalent at the bare minimum to Jackson.

    Out of the passed 6 years he has been to the playoffs 5 times. Of those 5, 3 were a loss in the semis or better. Of those three, 2 of them he pushed a stacked Miami team to at least 6 games. You can argue that the east is weaker, but I can argue that Vogel has had a longer track record of success. I would also state that if PG didn't suffer that freak injury Vogel would be 6/6 on playoff appearances.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;I was always a big fan of Phil Jackson and his approach&quot; -- Frank Vogel, making music to Knicks' ears <a href="https://t.co/u4KoEGzqa2">https://t.co/u4KoEGzqa2</a></p>&mdash; New York Post Sports (@nypostsports) <a href="https://twitter.com/nypostsports/status/727159348129087491">May 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  5. JayZ750

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    I like Vogel as an option. And even recognizing the Rockets biggest issue is defense, not offense, it's still hard to look past the Pacers bad offense.

    They've been great defensively, but bad offensively.

    It's just tiring to think about these one side of the ball coaches. You're an NBA coach. You should be great at all aspects.

    He'd obviously be an improvement, since Harden is good enough to efficiently carry an offense, even if it is painful to watch at times.
     
  6. p10maggs

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    Not over JVG. No way.
     
  7. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Why would Vogel want the Rockets job, or the Knicks job? I guess if the price is right...
     
  8. JayZ750

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    Well, coaches don't stay entrenched in the NBA anymore, outside of the biggest names having already won championships - Pop, Spoelstra, Carlisle, now Kerr. His run in Indy seems closer to the end then the beginning, unless they get him a lot more talent.... but they seem to have been going backward in that department.

    So he might view the Knicks as an opportunity to build up from a low.
    The Rockets? He likes DM from their previous work history together. He likes the Harden base? Not sure.

    I'm not sold on him though.
     
  9. Deuce

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Indianapolis Star's <a href="https://twitter.com/CandaceDBuckner">@CandaceDBuckner</a> examines coach Frank Vogel's future with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pacers?src=hash">#Pacers</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/nba?src=hash">#nba</a> <a href="https://t.co/HhTJY2fF5U">https://t.co/HhTJY2fF5U</a></p>&mdash; Michael Eaves (@michaeleaves) <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeleaves/status/727217851795275776">May 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  10. malakas

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    Dont see why Pacers will let him go. Same with Bud and Atlanta whose contract also expires this year.
    Vogel did a great job and the Pacers future looks bright.
     
  11. Deuce

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    Bud has a lot of control in Atlanta so he is more entrenched.

    Vogel isn't in the same situation.
     
  12. jimmyv281

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    Interview anyone from the Popavich Coaching tree... Steal their ideas and hire whoever James and Durant want.
     
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    How exactly? The Western Conference is MUCH more difficult to win 50+ in. Let alone w/ a very young team, let alone w/ key injuries, let alone in a 2 year window. The Warriors went from 23 wins to 51 in 2 1/2 years. That's a 28 game turn around.

    The Rockets should be looking for a quick turn around like GS had when Jackson got there. Vogul would be my last choice
     
  14. And1redux

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    this guy or JVG, please
     
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    I warn everyone that its completely pointless to argue with the sole Jacksontard in this forum. Just nod your head when he says Mark Jackson is better than Jesus and the reason Curry became an mvp.
     
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    Unless there's an internal issue, not sure why IND wouldn't extend him.

    He'd be a great fit here, though.
     
  18. bulkatron

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    Would take Vogel 100/100 times over JVG.

    Has coached in the past decade.

    Has led his teams to top tier defenses.

    Has had more playoff success.

    Less stubborn offensively.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Would think they would be if he leaves Indy. Did the interviews in 2012. From that season: <a href="https://t.co/lNn8HC1YLA">https://t.co/lNn8HC1YLA</a> <a href="https://t.co/FVzGmeAD3q">https://t.co/FVzGmeAD3q</a></p>&mdash; Jonathan Feigen (@Jonathan_Feigen) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/status/727262565672177664">May 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As mentioned earlier, FWIW, Vogel had a 7-hour interview with Morey, dinner with Alexander in 2012. <a href="https://t.co/2HvzZdzIAE">https://t.co/2HvzZdzIAE</a></p>&mdash; Jonathan Feigen (@Jonathan_Feigen) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/status/727266290541293568">May 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    [rquoter]Indiana Pacers president Larry Bird said Monday he hasn’t decided whether to bring back coach Frank Vogel for a seventh season, telling IndyStar: “It’s no secret – I want us to score more points.”

    What Bird has to decide, he says, is the best way to achieve more offense in a league headed in that direction: Change the roster, change the coach, or change both.

    “I don’t know what’s going to happen,” Bird said.

    He doesn’t know when, either. Bird said he will make the decision after meeting by conference call with Pacers owner Herb Simon, but he said no call has been arranged.

    “He’s busy, so it could be a week or it could be tomorrow,” Bird said early Monday evening. “What I don’t want to do is leave Frank hanging – there’s other jobs out there he could get.”

    Vogel has been suggested as a good fit for the Knicks, media reports have said. He could stay in Indiana, Bird said, although Bird makes it clear: The Pacers didn’t score enough points. Not to make a dent where it matters, in the playoffs.

    “I thought we were going to win that game last night,” he said of the No. 7 seeded Pacers’ 89-84 Game 7 loss to the second-seeded Toronto Raptors. “If you’d told me we’d score 84 points … You can’t go very far in the playoffs if you don’t score. When I tell people this, it’s not because I think I know it all – it’s because I experienced it as a player.”

    Vogel earned his bones as a defensive-minded coach, teaming with assistant Dan Burke to make the Pacers especially stingy on that side of the court. Vogel has said he is comfortable coaching the faster style Bird prefers.

    As for Bird, he said he doesn’t blame the Pacers’ point total in Game 7 on Vogel.

    “Hey, that’s on the guys,” Bird said. “They’ve got to make plays. George Hill (19 points) played well, Monta Ellis scored (15) points, Paul George (26 points) did what he does. But who’s that other guy?”

    “We need to score more points," Bird said. "If Frank comes back, what can we do to get better offense? It’s on all of us.

    “Frank’s a great guy. He’s going to be fine no matter what happens. If he’s back, he’ll be fine here. If he’s not, he’s not. We’ll see.”

    http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...rd-says-hes-undecided-vogels-future/83847162/[/rquoter]
     
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  20. bulkatron

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    Those are all great but this news is all from 2011-12 lol. Hoping for some breaking news from 2016!

    Not a dig at you by the way, enjoy your uncanny superpower to break news within seconds of it posting.
     

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