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Francis: Sell high

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Will, Apr 9, 2004.

  1. DarkHorse

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    And the plots thickens... The greatest poster in the history of the BBS has come down against Francis.



    Agreed, Will. This kind of performance could be enough to whet some GM's whistle so that we can get a solid return. I can almost feel the chemistry getting better.
     
  2. ROXTXIA

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    When we explore deals for Steve in the summer, we will have deals from about ten teams to choose from. We assume his value is low. Nope. Other GM's are smart enough to see that JVG and Steve and Yao make up the dreaded Bermuda Triangle. I guess it would be the Buffalo Bayou Triangle.

    Steve will be happier, we'll be happier, but for now, I just want to say, Great game, Steve. Really great game.
     
  3. Oski2005

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    I like how people are accusing others of ignoring the rest of the season and only paying attention to this game. These are the same people of course who are ignoring the previous seasons and only focusing on Francis's worst year. All he needs is to work on his shot this offseason. If his shots were falling, he'd be more confident and if he's more confident, he'll be under more control and more control means less TOs.
     
  4. O-dawg

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    Pitiful... Rockets clinch a playoff spot, by battling back in a game that they could of easily lost. Your allstar point gaurd (that has had difficulty scoring this season) steps up at the most crucial time of the season and leads the rest of the team to the win, and we still have to suffer through another ridiculous (and questionably timed) "Trade Steve" thread. By a member of the Clutch Crew no less... I say again pitiful.

    Through the whole first half of the game I found myself frustrated a the fact that the Rox did not seem to have the intensity to match the importance of this game. This changed in the second half. The Rox had a huge third quarter, led by Steve who didn't force silly shots, but played off of the doubles on Yao. He kept other players involved (11 assists) even Yao (who just couldn't seem to hit water from the ocean last night). In other words Francis got his and still got Yao and his other team mates enough touches.

    The difference tonight was that shots that Steve has been missing all season fell tonight. I believe that the two not only can co-exist, but must co-exist because no matter who this proto-type pg is that everyone seems to want, I can garauntee that the jumper is not going to be there every night. In those situations you want a pg that can penetrate and score or get to the line.

    Some seem to think that this is not Steve because he has not hit the outside shot at a decent clip this season, you say this is one good game but you can not forget the other bad 78 games. Agreed. I'll see your 78 cames if you take into account the 3 seasons (not counting the injury plagued season) in which his mid range shot was money. Deal?
     
  5. Yetti

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    There is only oner answer to this Question.
    When the Trade is completed.
     
  6. gr8-1

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    Hate to see him go, but I think it's time. Cat appears to be the better shooter, and I think a shooter compliments Yao the best. really like Steve, but he's the left shoe, if you catch my drift.
     
  7. thunder_james

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    nice posters.
    I think Steve need stay with Rox,because he almost finished the transition to a good PG, not great though.
    Personally, I take Steve close to Tony Parker,which is also a turnover-prone. As long as SF is comfortable with his shooting, he will be our man.
    For Mobley, I don't want to trade him either. Do you know what?
    I think Mobley can be next out 'Bowen' . I appreciate his defence very much.
    What I do in the off season most is trade Taylor + some players to a PF with close offence,more defence and a little quicker.I think this is doable cause his trading value is not so low.
     
  8. DavidS

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    Does this ever happen? I'm still waiting.

    A Francis dream: 46%FG, 7APG, with only 2.9TOPG? Will this ever happen? I mean, even those numbers aren't that great. But he can't even achieve that.

    Again, Francis needs to "just do it (Nike commerical)."
     
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  9. Yetti

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    Again I say to you is when Steve takes over the game it is to the detreiment of the Team,to the detriment of Yao Ming being the focus. If Yao Ming is not the focus in the first Quarter he looses his rythem/interest and often plays poorly. I remind you that we are NOT developing around Steve Francisd but around Yao Ming and to me last nights game illustrates exactly why Francis and Yao are incompatible . Either Trade Yao or Francis, you dont have to guess who it will be!
     
  10. JPM0016

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    huh??? Yao was too tired to step it up in the biggest game of the season. He's been inconsistent the 2nd half of the season. Steve Francis took over and we won. Quit blaming everyone else for Yao's failures
     
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    if u keep in a good shape, ur athleticism will not fade until u r 35. just look at Darrell Armstrong
     
  12. armada

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    Agreed. The Rockets don't need to be in a hurry to trade Steve, who are salivated over by some GMs. Our Achilles' heel is 4th spot. Trade Taylor+ for a true PF anyway.
     
  13. ivanyy2000

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    I said it before, there are only 3-4 games Steve Francis and Yao played both well THE WHOLE SEASON. Steve Francis carried us 2-3 times during the year and Yao obviously contributes more for other games.

    Everybody think it is coincidence? These two guys' game just doesn’t fit. Do you guys see any game chemistry yet after almost 2 years?

    These two guys both are good players, but force to keep them together and expect them to play their full strength is just unrealistic. Here I am not saying who is better than whom, they just don't fit, that is all.
     
  14. ivanyy2000

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    Has Darrell Armstrong ever been a focal point to win a title???
     
  15. armada

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    I have to admit the truth.

    I am not sure your conclusion yet. How about giving them a quarter of a seasons more?
     
  16. StupidMoniker

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    WRONG. Steve still takes the most shots on the team. Yao took shots away from mostly Taylor (and that Griffin used to shoot) and the bench. Horrible and innacurate analogy. It would be more like they asked Yao to take open jumpshots off of LeBron's drawing double teams and his scoring and shooting all went down drastically. In that case, a lot of people would complain about how much he was sucking it up when given an easier role to play.
     
  17. gowithwind22

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    Anybody mention trade SF is a true goof. no matter how many posts you have posted here.

    A good coach and sports fan MUST know a gold rule. A team should give the best solution based on what they already have.Not try to improve on trade.

    right, SF is not a great PG. but he is a good scorer. Name me a pure PG who have bring his team a title. MAGIC is a PG but not as pure as people describled. As least, he is too tall ro be a PG, and he have to many scores to be a pure PG as well.

    Question is why a PG must be a G? maybe we can give a new concpet can PCenter. PG=ball carrier and distributor.
    how about divide the rule into a carrier and a distributor. someone carry the ball pass the half court. pass it to Yao(he seems the smartest guy to be the distributor. and he is tall, so good court vision)

    Then eberyone is satified.
    1. SF can make his own decision as a SG. So not be a wise guy is not a PB any more.
    2. we can test if YAO is capible to hanle the team.
    3. Yao ming have more touch than b4.
    4. All the soft instructions is upon yao ming.(the smartest guy suppose to get these instructions.)
    what is solid instruction:
    coach: if u got u ball at 3-point line, and only one guy def u. shot the ball!
    player: yes sir!

    5. we can use our resource to get what we really need . Some PF.
    Cato is good. but he is too "selfished "/honor as a PF. We need someone know his rule, and we need more than one PF , so they should be cheap.
    if I were the coach, my standards for these PF are simple.

    Draw 1 foul/5 play mins. if he draw a foul which suppose call upon our franchise players. it consider as three fouls.
    Ok, say I let u play for 10 mins. u draw three fouls. and one is supposed be called on Yao ming.. then u got 3-1+3=5 fouls.which is 2.5 fouls/5 play mins. U keep ur job.
     
  18. vj23k

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    It's not just about the number of shots. With Yao's man clogging the paint, Steve can't play like he did in years past. I believe he is taking more jumpers this year than he ever has before(Maybe he is just now being exposed?) He doesn't take it to the rim nearly as strong, thought that just may be a confidence issue. Either Steve revamps his game this offseason, or he won't fit. I am almost 100% sure that JVG will ship him this offseason, regardless of how he plays during the offseason.
     
  19. armada

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    Not all through the season. If you just mean last night, yes, that was. Steve was the last straw which led our team to the playoffs.
     
  20. yipengzhao

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    brilliant. i was going to tell him how ridiculous his post was... but then you did a much better job than i could have.
     

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