You must have not read the entire thread because if you did you would have seen this amazing post. In terms of BBS idiots Yetti takes the cake.
lol...I don't know why, but that post had me rolling. Should we really go over this again? It's pretty much a general consensus around here that Steve and Yao can not play on the same team. They inhibit each others' games. So you decide which one you want to keep. I would like to give Steve some more time(Especially if he plays well in the playoffs), but I can definitely see why JVG, the organization, and many of the fans want him gone.
you mean it is the general consensus of those of you vocal enough to get into these pissing contests that pass for discussions around here these days... anyone else that thinks differently doesnt bother(or count in yalls eyes). your second statement was funny tho I find it hilarious that you can state facts about who wants him gone....the only ones that I know of for sure are some fans....the opinion that the organization and VG want him gone is purely made up(hopeful on your part) speculation...and should be viewed as such to anyone stupid enough to give that statement any credence.
Dang it, I got distracted by a stupid business call and couldn't finish my post. . . . ok, where was I. Right. These discussions with Juggie remind me of debating with my sister's 3 year old . . . Nephew: Can I have ice cream for dinner? Uncle Riley: Sorry, nephew, but ice cream is not really good for you. It has a lot of sugar that will rot your teeth. For dinner, you should have good things, like carrots, ham, rice, maybe even pizza if your mom says it's okay. Nephew: But ice cream good. Uncle Riley: I know you like ice cream because it tastes good, but its not good for you. See, for dinner, you need things that have vitamins and other good things that will help you grow up. Nephew: But ice cream good. Like ice cream. Uncle Riley: Nephew, I like ice cream too. But doctors say that it is not good to have ice cream for dinner. Nephew (now, getting agitated): Ice Cream My Favorite!!! Uncle Riley: Nephew, I'm sorry but this is for your own good. You will uderstand when you're older. Nephew: (now laying on his back, pitching a fit). Ice Cream! Ice Cream! Ice Cream. Dammit, that was a lot funnier in my head. I'd delete this but a lot of work went into typing. Sorry for the waste of server space, but i think it is an accurate analogy for arguing with Juggie.
Okay Rileydog, You call me a moron and then make a response that in your own words is "not so intelligent." We are talking about sports - not calculus nor algebra. There is no correct answer only opinions. And since they are all opinions, no opinion is more or less factually correct than another. If anything, in post after post, I present stats and facts which are countered by such outstanding debating techniques as "Steve sux more" or "You're a troll" and now "You're a moron" Then most posters go on to re-describe every fault Steve has. But somehow, they never address the stats and facts that I brought up. Listen, Yao may be your hero. In fact, you're probably tooling around in some Yao underoos right now. But as perfect as he may be in your eyes, he has faults that are very evident and very real. And no amount of name calling that you do will make them go away. So since you have appointed yourself the arbiter of intelligence here, I ask you, oh wise one, can you please comment on said faults and explain why given those, Yao will one day dominate the league? Just to get you started "Steve sux worse" "I'm a troll" "And I'm a moron" I'm listening...
Cool. Hi Juggie. I'm not going to debate the merits. I see in the preceding 9 pages that it is impossible to debate that with you. See my analogy re debating with my nephew. You've already lost that debate in the preceding 9 pages. I'm transcending the factual debate. I'm just here to say you're a moron and entertain others while doing so. Have a nice day.
Darn it. memo to self. need to contribute to tip jar. Anyway, since i'm not going to debate the facts with you, and you generally eschew the facts anyway, this should be fun. It will be like my nephew at Gymboree debating with another 3 year old. Naturally, you will not agree with me that you eschew the facts. So, like reality tv, it should be interesting to see how you debate a 3 year old. As you'll soon see, it is either really funny or annoying. Personally, I find this thread funny.
ahhh. dammit, still need to contribute. Juggie, I screwed up the whole thing. I was supposed to pretend to debate based on the facts but ignore them, and then see how you would like debating with you. Crap, I screwed it all up. Sorry man.
sigh... his name is Juugie... don't give a bad name to juggies. so you're really from Taiwan AND 6-3? no way....
I like that... so the rest of us are the ones that don't respond to valid arguments and just claim steve sucks huh? you have described every fault that Yao has, and never bother to defend steve because you can't conscienably do that. and now you claim the higher ground and start making accusations. this is just comical.
I didn't think that people actually looked up people's profiles. I am 6-3 and from Taiwan. Must be the warrior blood in my mom's side. Man, back in the day, I used to dominate . . . Yip, you can't debate Juugie. It's more fun and productive to act like him and see how he likes it. I'm wondering what he'll do once he sees my responses.
What makes you think you're so debatable. The dumbest complaint from poster to another poster on this site is that someone isn't open minded or whatever. People's opinions either way or formed before ever logging on. You guys look silly for continuing arguing with him.
What are you talking about? Steve may make errors galore. It's fine to criticize Steve for that or want to trade him as a result. But to say he's been orchestrating Yao not developing more and tanking the team is ridiculous. Nobody on the team plays HARDER than Steve. Nobody dives for more loose balls, puts his body on the line, etc. Of course Yao and Steve are legitimate friends by several reporters accounts, by Yao and Steve's own comments, by their actions, etc. Steve has passed to Yao at the end of high profile games(Yao vs. Shaq 1). Steve did that even though he was the one having the monster game. To claim Steve is intentionally losing games is beyond reason, especially when you have no proof at all.
Yip, That's my point. Why does Steve have to be an issue when debating Yao's weaknesses? Okay, Steve sucks. He's the worst guard ever to lace up a pair of shoes in any league and there is absoluetly no defense for him. In fact, he's a waste of oxygen. Now that we've gotten that out of the way, can we talk about Yao? I personally think Yao is and will be a good player. Some of you find that offensive because you think he will be a game changer. I say he doesn't have the temperment to be a game changer, and at least DavidS addresses it. DavidS thinks Steve should go. Great we all have out opinions. But he is like the only person on this board that even considers it possible that Yao will end up just a good player and not the greatest of all time. Actually, even though no one took me up on it, I'm not going to let this stuff ruin my joy at the Rox being in the playoffs. So. I'm just not going to post anything negative about any Rocket player until after the first playoff game. Until then, I'm just going to be excited about being in the tournament.
R2K, whoa...sorry, man. I didn't mean to offend you. I'd say, yes, that's pretty obvious. I'm not good with the mind games(Especially over the internet), so, yes, if you don't participate in the pissing contest, you're not allowed into the general consensus. It's funny that you consider me part of "y'all." I want him around for a least a little longer, and have said so in most of my posts. I think that he may be able to fit...I'm just growing weary, and I have noticed that many around here have grown much more weary than I have. Don't you think it is a general consensus? If you'd like, you can start a poll. I'm just going by what I've read. It seems that most around here(Especially the more vocal posters) would like to see Steve traded. Did I state a fact? Let's recap. "but I can definitely see why JVG, the organization, and many of the fans want him gone." I should have been more clear by placing a "would" before "want," but I think what I'm trying to say is still obvious. I didn't mean that they do want him gone(Though Doc Rocket's posts from a while ago would lead me to believe that the parts about JVG and the organization are also true), just that I would find it understandable. Wrong side of the bed, perhaps?
Funny thing Juugie, you weren't complaining about the "hypotheticals" when you were using your per min stat to prove Yao shoots more than Steve. How about this for a non - hypothetical, the more shots you get the more points you are likely to score. And LeBron shoots 10.1 SPG and 2.3 FTPG per game compared to Yao in his first season. In case you still haven't figured out, he more than double Yao's shots but DOESN'T double Yao's points. Seriously Juugie, you don't even make this a challenge for me any more.
MFW, It's not a hypothetical. Yao DOES take .38 shots per minute. Steve DOES take .35 shots per minute. Factual and in the present. Your arguement is still hypothetical. Just because you take more shots does not mean you will score more points it is statistically possible for you to miss every shot. Therefore, you are still talking about hypotheticals. Add "likely too..." to the list of terms that let you know you are dealing with hypotheticals.
Pgabriel, this is just my little test for juuggie. See, if he continues to respond to my silliness, he will learn what it is like to respond to his . . . it's completely useless. If he ignores me, which it appears he has, then he realizes that the only way most people here deal with him is by ignoring him. Either way, it gets the point across. I am not saying that I'm a genius or master of debate. I'd defer to a significant number of people on this board when it comes to basketball knowledge. I'm open minded, most around here know that. I am very familiar with Juugie's posts and have my opinion. Now I'm just having fun. At least one person on the previous page enjoyed my jokes. And i think juugie has gotten the point. Finally, I'm not arguing with him - and that's the point, one cannot argue with Juugie.
