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Francis: Sell high

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Will, Apr 9, 2004.

  1. Juugie

    Juugie Member

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    If Yao were 7'1 instead of 7'5, he'd probably set the record for having your own shot blocked in a year.

    PS. I don't ever remember any other top big man having his shot blocked four times in one game by a SF - Kirelinko
     
  2. DavidS

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    LOL!!!! What about that thing called "body weight?"

    I guess you assuming he'd still weigh 310lbs, just to make him more sluggish to support your point.

    If he was proportionally 7'1" to his current body type, he'd probably be around 260lbs. And he'd be able to move faster and jump higher. That would have an affect on his agility.

    Why do you always take things for face value. Why can't you look at the surrounding factors?
     
  3. Juugie

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    If Yao needs to lose weight to keep his shot from being blocked, someone needs to put him on Atkins - quick.
     
  4. MFW2310

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    Hmmmmm:

    LeBron James 2003 - 2004:
    21.1 PPG on 19 SPG (41.6%), 443 FTPG (75.8%)
    Yao Ming 2002 - 2003:
    13.5 PPG on 9.8 SPG (49.8%), 371 FTPG (81.1%)

    Extrapolate that to per 48 stats
    LeBron James 2003 - 2004:
    25.5 PPG on 23 SPG, 7 FTPG
    Yao Ming 2003 - 2004
    23 PPG on 16 SPG, 7.4 FTPG

    Looks to me that Yao is only averaging 2.5 PPG per 48 on 7 shots less. If Yao actually takes 23 SPG (at 49.8%) he would get 30.3 PPG per 48.

    But hey, what am I saying. Don't let facts get in the way of a good Yao bashing. :rolleyes:
     
  5. yipengzhao

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    I mean I don't even remember the stances on that issue. It was just I was impressed by people's knowledge of basketball on this board. Too bad some people are also really stubborn huh?
     
  6. MFW2310

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    If Yao was 7'1 he'd also be more athletic and have more stamina. Nice to see that you only give him the disadvantage of a lower height though.
     
  7. Juugie

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    Considering that Yao can barely handle the 33 minutes he plays, we shouldn't talk about him having more minutes.
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    The way you guys let Jungie get in your heads is hillarious.
     
  9. uac

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    BBSJunkie ?!
     
  10. MFW2310

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    You know what Juugie, completely throw out the per 48 min stat just for you. Keeping everything else the same (ie. same 33 MPG, same offence that doesn't fit Yao), just by Yao taking 19 SPG which LeBron averages he would be getting 22.5 PPG (higher than LeBron) despite having fewer FTPG.

    Or would you like me to do a per min stat comparison...

    But hey, like I said, don't let facts get in the way of a good Yao bashing.
     
  11. orbb

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    Juugie....its time to take a break :)
    why dont u come back after the playoffs :mad:
     
  12. Oski2005

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    Isn't anybody else reading this? OMFG!!! Please, GOD, tell me that the only reason nobody else is responding to this is because this idiot is on their ignore lists.

    That is an easy answer?:rolleyes: Maybe it was easy to make up.
    You are full of ****. It's as simple as that. You claim to be a Rockets fan, but you have never shown anything that can prove that. Even in your freaking sig, it's only about Yao doing well. There's nothing there about the Rockets flying.

    If you can't prove this crazy post of yours, I demand that you stop freaking posting here. If you can prove it, I will stop posting here.

    YOU HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED!!!!

    Keep the BBS free and clear of liars!
    Yett= The enormous dumbass who loves to lie!
     
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  13. Rockets2K

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    heh...you just now noticing this Oski?

    lets put it this way....a quarter of the posters have him on ignore, half think he is beneath responding to, and another quarter agree with him since he is always slamming Francis.

    I used to respond to him to try to bait him into defending his assinine positions...but he is too chicken-**** to respond.

    You are basically wasting your time trying.
     
  14. Oski2005

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    I guess since I ignore the GARM, i haven't noticed.
     
  15. Juugie

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    Then he needs to step up to the plate and start shooting. Every single play the Rockets run begins with trying to get him the ball. He could shoot as many times as he likes.

    You Yao fans always talk about hypotheticals because you can't talk about what actually IS.

    IF Yao took as many shots as...
    WHEN Yao becomes dominant
    IF the refs didn't let people touch him.

    The bottom line is, if Steve averaged as many shots as Iverson for his career he would almost lead the league in scoring. You know what, he doesn't so it's a moot point.

    The fact of the matter is, by the numbers, LeBron is the better player by far. This is the best the Cavs have been in a number of years. And you can disparage LeBron for his team not making the playoffs, but he had a hell of a bigger impact on that team than Yao has. This team won 45 games in a tougher conference without him and may not win 45 games with him. His impact has been a wash. The Rockets could have won 45 games this year without im - hell, if Rudy was still here and you added Amare instead, they would have won at least 50 games.
     
  16. MFW2310

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    There you go again. Good job ignoring all the FACTS Juugie. You started stat whoring and I responded, but once I prove you to be wrong I get called a YOF and my points get ignored. You started telling me that statistically LeBron is better than Yao, I gave you the facts, please prove me wrong.

    You know it's kinda funny. It's not just me that thinks Yao doesn't get enough shots. Clutch, Will, Brian, hey throw in ESPN/TNT as well. I'm guessing they are YOFs as well. Everytime somebody proves you wrong they are a YOF. Boy we sure have a lot of YOFs. :rolleyes:

    How nice of you to ignore my previous posts too. As I said before, whatever positives Yao did is "wiped out by your favorite player, who is not so subtly having the worst year of his career."

    And if Amare can't win with Marion, what makes you think he can win with Francis. Amare sure is doing one helluva job in Phoenix. :rolleyes:
     
  17. Juugie

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    MFW

    Due to a moratorium on negative posts, I am only going to responf by saying that I only present stats. You then try to extrapolate and answer with hypotheticals. I state was IS. You answer with what COULD BE.

    My Amare comment is based on the fact that he could come in to that team and fit in without requiring a complete restructuring of how they do things.
     
  18. MFW2310

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    Really? Could be? We saw an increase in # of shots for Yao from 9.8 to 13.5 this season (partly because of the 4 min increase in PT) and his shooting % boon to 53%. Remember what people were saying last year, that given more shots, Yao's FG% WOULD DROP? How's that working out hypothetically.

    In fact, assume that Yao plain sucks at the end of games therefore assuming that he only shoots 41.1% (LeBron's average) but allow him to take 19 shots, he would be getting 19.3 PPG, the difference cause by LeBron's more FTA and 3PTs. You know, there's a reason that Yao is among the league leaders in efficiency per 48 despite playing in a system that doesn't fit him.
     
  19. Juugie

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    MFW,

    If you use the words "if, would, could, or should" you are speaking about hypotheticals. Let's only talk about what is...
     
  20. HoRockets

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    What is... Yao leads all Rockets pts/game, blocks/game, rebounds/game, FT%, 2nd in FG% in 2,636 minutes

    Francis leads team in asst/game, 2nd pts/game in 3,194 minutes

    If you want to state facts as the truth, then Yao Ming is currently the Rockets' best player.
     

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