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Francis + Mobley = No Playoff !!!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by djunior, Oct 8, 2003.

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  1. CRC

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    You are right, Yetti, thanks for reminding me, I swear I have heard the following quote from you about zillion times:

    "JVG is going to change the way Francis and Mobley play, also Francis wont be running the Team JVG will!"

    Let me know whenever you have anything new to say!

    ;) :D
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    You forgot "I'm really a Rockets fan, no really I am" and "Yao is a gem that is not allowed to shine because of the selfishness of our guards. He will create a new NBA of beautiful basketball displaying skills and passing that is lacking in the brute dominated NBA. Yao will save the world once the guards realize that they are nothing and he is everything, the chosen one, the truth, the future, the light that shall guide us all."
     
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    If looks could kill they probably will
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    If looks could kill they probably will
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  4. ragingFire

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    I've seen what Jeff's done as a coach, I know I don't know as much BB as he does.

    I did watch the games. I'd know if Cat fed the post or not. You don't have to complete 1st grade to know that, and you sure don't need Jeff to tell you! :)

    As far as Larry concerned, I do think he can not coach. He might be a fearless rebounder but he can not coach.
     
  5. codell

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    So you are saying that JVG is a liar then right?? Or does he just not know what he is talking about??

    Regardless of whether it was 10 times (which is totally incorrect as I just go through watching two quarters of two different games and counted 6 times that Mobley passed the ball down into the post; but I guess those were the 2 games that you didn't get to see ;) ) or 100 times, JVG felt that a) Mobley was one of the post entry passers and b) Felt that Mobley and Francis passed the ball an adequate amount of times into the post.

    Maybe he will just take him some time to figure out what the rest of yall already now (like Yetti explained).

    Apparently you don't know. Maybe you do need Jeff to tell you then. :) Back to the 1st grade for you. heh

    Rudy thinks Larry can coach. JVG thinks Larry can coach. Terry Stotts thinks Larry can coach.

    So thats three NBA head coaches think Larry Smith can coach. Would you say that they don't know what they are talking about???
     
  6. ragingFire

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    Jeff is a diplomat. Just like when he said the Rockets were not undercoached last year and then proceeded to do things like telling MoT to move his toes 2 inches. :)
    Of course I exaggerated a little when I threw out the number of 10. I did and still believe Cat didn't like throwing the ball into the post as much as him jacking it up.
    So do you call him a post entry passer if he threw it in 10 times?
    Don't mix Cat and Steve. Steve passed the ball into the post.
    Rudy is not a head coach any more.
    Jeff did not keep Larry.
    Does that tell you anything?
    Terry Stotts will not be around very long, he does not count.

    I was not clear when I said Larry can't coach.
    A head coach job is different and 10 times more difficult than assistant coach. Especially the kind of ass coach-video co-ordinator we had.

    If you say Larry can run a video room, I won't argue.
    Larry certainly was not fit to be head coach. He is not even fit to be a real assistant coach.
     
  7. Dnjndmrc5

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    We all knew Rudy was going to get fired it was only a matter of time, he just stepped out before les could fire him. Same thing Larry Dierker with the stros!
     
  8. O-dawg

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    Francis and Mobley control the ball the majority of the time, so if they weren't the ones passing the ball to Yao, then who was it? You might want to read Codell's post about the two Rockets games he watched and the number of times Mobley passed the ball into the post before you answer that question.

    I submit that you are still the same Francis\Mobley hater that you were 18 months ago and will take any opportunity you can get to bash them and praise Yao. Since you know so much how about you come up with some solid facts like Codell did to back up your statement and until you do I am calling you a liar and fraud (claiming to be a Rox fan when you are really just someone who watches the Rox because of Yao and wishes to elevate Yao). I am so sick of you Yao fans spouting your generalizations with no solid facts to back them... I say Mobley and Francis passed to Yao, JVG says so... prove otherwise... Yetti... anyone.
     
  9. Oski2005

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    Hold on, can we get a quick head count of people here who respected Yetti last year or ever for that matter?

    It's amazing, you were riding Jeff Van Gundy's nuts like Pecos Bill rode that twister. Now that his opinion contradicts yours, Van Gundy is suddenly wrong. It doesn't matter that Van Gundy probably watched more hours of basketball this summer than you will in your lifetime, you say that he needs to see more? And what about watching tape is different from you watching games at home? Oh, I know, JVG has access to multiple angles that you don't get to see while you do your backseat driver routine from your couch.

    JVG should go down to one of your track meets and though he has no experience in that field, criticize your runners and what not every time they don't win and question your ability as a coach. I mean, like just like you said, JVG is a coach so he can breakdown the situation regardless of the sport.
     
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    oski2005, I am thinking the same way as u..... Its like Yetti is actually the coach, instead of another fans watching from either the sideline or on TV..... and JVG watching from tapes are not as good as him watching from wherever..... ????
     
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    Yetti, why dont you replace JVG since you obviously can see the "Truth" and scrub Van Gundy can't?
     
  12. farhan007

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    JVG watched all 82 games, and memorized them...
     
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    i think we should start Yao Ming and have the third string players for the other postions, and show them how bad we loose and then they will shut up.
     
  14. farhan007

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    you just mainy want to see Yao exel
     
  15. codell

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    RF,

    Be a man and quit beating around the bush. Either say that JVG was telling the truth, JVG is a liar or JVG doesn't know what he is talking about. Don't give me your "diplomat" bull.

    JVG is on record as saying he is a straight shooter and is not interested in being a player's friend or hurting their feelings. Saying that JVG only told Steve and Cat that they passed Yao the ball enough last year because he is just being a nice guy is pretty far fetched, even for you.

    You exaggerate all the time RF. I accept it as a common practice from you. You obviously do not watch the Rockets offense enough to know that Cat is not the featured entry passer in most of our offensive sets. So to say that he doesn't like throwing the ball into the post should hold the same weight as saying that Eddie doesn't like throwing the ball into the post. Neither one of them are post entry posters nearly as much as Posey and Francis were.

    BTW, as usual, you were so anxious to call me out, that you didn't even read the whole thread. Let me recap since you don't like to take the time to read:

    1) The thread starter said that Rudy was to blame for Yao not getting enough touches.

    2) Franchise Blade reminded us that JVG said that Yao DID get enough touches.

    3) Yetti implied that because JVG is new, that he is not seeing it clearly and that Steve and Cat do not want to see Yao have more glory than they do and thus, do not pass him the ball enough. Again, Yetti said that it will take JVG time to recognize what he does, even though JVG has seen the same games.

    Overall, Yetti implies that JVG is incorrect, at this time, in his assesment of Cat and Steve's passing to Yao.

    4) I pointed out a Chronicle article where JVG says that Steve and Cat fed Yao the ball enough despite was has been written about them in the media.

    5) Ragingfire jumps in and says that he didn't see Cat pass Yao the ball more than 10 times in a total of 80 games. (which is absolutely incorrect and a gross exaggeration (Ragingfire admits this)).

    Personally, I think you are just calling me out because you remain bitter about a prior conversation we had a few months ago.

    If you aren't then what was your point in responding to me??? Do you agree or disagree with JVG about whether or not Steve and Cat passed Yao the ball enough??

    Its not about whether Cat did it 10 times or 1000 times. JVG said that based on Cat's role in the offense, Yao received an acceptable amount of passes from him.

    Please clarify what your intention was when you responded to me or just admit that you like to call me out because of spite.

    I will call him a post entry passer when he passes the ball into the post on a given play, which happened alot more than 10 times last year.

    So did Mobley. So did Posey. So did Eggie. So did almost every other player on the team on any given play.

    Rudy WAS a head coach and had Larry Smith on his staff when we won 2 titles.

    Sad that you are dismissing Rudy's credentials as a head coach because he is in between gigs.

    Attention everyone. Since Rudy is no longer employed as a head coach, his opinion on anything basketball related is no longer valid.

    JVG brought in his own assistants, which established coaches tend to do most of the time. This doesn't mean that JVG thought Smith couldn't coach (again, JVG is on record and saying flat out that this team was not undercoached last year). It means that JVG preferred to work with the same assistants he has had success with.

    It tells me that Smith can coach based on the opinions of two of the better coaches in NBA history.

    lol

    So now, you are dismissing the opinion of yet ANOTHER NBA head coach because he doesn't coach one of the better teams in the league.

    Terry Stotts is an NBA head coach and he hired Larry Smith because he thinks Larry can coach. That is good enough for me.

    You didn't say that Larry couldn't be a head coach. You say that Larry Smith couldn't coach.

    Nice recovery.

    Again. Nice recovery. Saying that Larry Smith is not fit to be a head coach, and Larry Smith can't coach are two different things.
     
  16. CRC

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    Back to the topic about Playoffs, here is a quote from David Aldridge in ESPN chat today:

    Dan (Houston): DA! What will be the biggest reasons if the Rockets make the playoffs?

    David Aldridge: If Yao develops into a dominant post presence, I can't see the Rockets not making the postseason. I think they'll be better defensively to be sure, but you still have to score some to win.
     
  17. thegary

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    codell, you have proven your point, okay? why waste so much energy replying to unreasonable posts?
     
  18. Drewdog

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    How the hell this crappy thread got past 1 page I will never know.....

    :rolleyes:

    Oh yeah and I agree with everyone who bashed this thread.
     
  19. djunior

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    Sure baby, the Rockets were in the playoff the past 4 seasons under your 2 fast-gun backcourt bros who are 1-on-1 experts. Just keep telling yourself it's a Francis-team and that will make the Rockets a playoff team. Hm...ok, just wondering how many more 4s (year) does a player the age of Stevie has in his career.:D
     
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    hahahahahahaha

    :D

    inferior beer? thats no way to get an apology from Smeg..

    you should just go ahead and send him a case of Fawsters..

    :p
     

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