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Francis Lightened Up Atkins at the Expense of Rocket

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by acrophobia98, Jan 8, 2004.

  1. francis 4 prez

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    well yao sure managed to touch the ball enough to turn it over 4 times.
     
  2. giddyup

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    So now is Francis on the Atkins Diet?
     
  3. farhan007

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    gosh guys, its sports!!! People are going to be competitive! Dont you hear guys in the nfl yelling at each other all the time. Its competitive nature!!!!!!!!
     
  4. ArtV

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    He's a rookie compared to Francis.

    By the way 1 was a 3 second violation (no touch) and another was an offensive foul (what!?! - too assertive?) - so that's really only 2 TOs.
     
  5. RocketManJosh

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    No the problem is that Francis is bashed for being the reason for the Rockets loss every time they lose. In this game, Francis was the only player to actually have a decent game, and this stupid article is the only ammunition Steve-Haters have for this game.

    As for Yao not getting the ball ... Sorry that can no longer be blamed on the Rockets not getting the ball to him. Every time he did get the ball he had allowed Elden Campbell to push him way away from the basket where he just passes it on. The onus is on Yao from now on if he doesnt get the shots ... He is getting the ball virtually every time he establishes good position. It's unfortunate that he hasnt been doing that lately.
     
  6. Xenogears

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    Yao not getting the ball is STILL the rox problem. Unlike that selfish ballhog Francis, Yao does not bring the ball up the court so has to rely on people to pass him the ball. Nobody passes him the ball, he can't score, simple as that. Nobody needs to pass Francis the ball for him to score since he has the ball all the time, so he can still try to score whenever he feels like.
     
  7. Sooner423

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    I know Francis has his faults, but look at it this way: Where are the Rockets without Francis at this point in the season? And to all of this crap about trash-talking, I don't know if you guys ever play, but its part of the game.
     
  8. RocketManJosh

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    Keep telling yourself this ... the number of shots Francis has been taking lately has been declining and his assists numbers have been up. I think almost everyone can see through the argument that Yao doesnt get the ball now. He doesnt get into position to get the ball so it doesnt come to him. SIMPLE AS THAT.

    Also .. Do you realize that MANY of the Rockets turnovers come from the Rockets trying to FORCE passes into Yao. That is where Cat and Steve get a lot of turnovers because they are continually having to try to create ways to get it to Yao because he is pushed out of position.

    You can try to cover for Yao all you want, but the simple fact is that he needs to work on that part of his game. I think with a few more offseason workouts and some more experience he will be better at getting position and he will become a much better player.

    Is Yao's lack of rebounding Steve and Cat's fault too?
     
  9. ricerocket

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    MoT is the one getting the extra shots, and JJ seems to be getting more too. You take the shots where the other team leaves you....
     
  10. munco

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    i was watching the game and noticed that steve was jawing out there. he definitely seemed to be talkin more than usual. i guess my perception was not that off.
     
  11. munco

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    everyone sucked last night. especially yao and steve.
     
  12. RocketManJosh

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    That is definitely true .. I thought Steve had a decent game, but he really didnt shoot well. I guess it just looked decent after his last game against the Warriors :) The only player on the Rockets with a decent line for the game was Jim Jackson.

    They are definitely losing as a team ... I just can't stand this BS criticizing Francis for trash talking and saying that is the reason they lost the game.
     
  13. mag

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    SF lovers seem to be blind. Teams usually play well when their PG directs the team. If your PG is in the court to prove to himself that he is worthy of the big contract, then he gets his objective but at the same time the team loses.

    A lot of people blames on Yao but I have been watching tape and a lot of times Yao just runs to the post waits for the pass and everybody ignores him. If he is playing that bad, I wonder why almost every team double team on him. It must be for some reason and even like that our guards can not take advantage of finding the open guy.

    This team as it is sucks big time. There is not really a PG and most than everything we have SF that is trying to show that he deserves to be the main player on this team.

    The big problem the Rox have now is that teams have found that SF sucks and now we might have to carry that big contract and be a mediocre team until that contract is over :mad:
     
  14. ricky-retardo

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    You have convinced me. If Steve would just lead better then Mo Taylor and Mobley would have made all their shots. Steve Francis can not make baskets for other players. He can be a floor leader all he wants but that still will not make the ball go in the basket.
     
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    Payton who?...I know you cannot possibly mean Gary "I was the biggest mouth in the league till Sam Cassell came in" Payton:confused:
     
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    F- Steve Francis. When his pride takes over his game, we will lose. I thought he would be more mature now.
     
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    Man you people are sick!!! The Francis Hating has reached the status where anything that goes wrong w/ the Rockets is his fault. The rest of the team is not at fault right? He is the only one on the floor missing shots, Mo Taylor doesn't miss any wide open jumpers, Yao didn't become Wallace' BIOTCH either right, Pike, JJ and Cat played perfect basketball right. Everyone else was excellent, let's just ride the "I HATE STEVE FRANCIS AND LET'S BLAME HIM FOR EVERYTHING WRONG WITH THE TEAM BANDWAGON". Man it is SICKENING!!! This was a team effort at sucking, the entire team was horrible including Francis. Van Gundy deserves alot of the blame as well. THe entire team is at fault for the crap we've been watching. Man I am so sick of this, everywhere you go and you hear of the Rockets woes, it's immediately Stevie's fault. The entire team deserves to be booed and blamed for that pathetic effort.
     
  18. GB_Rocket

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    Has there ever been anything in the history of the universe that hasn't been Steve's fault?

    Honestly, this forum is almost unreadable now. And it used to be so great. :(
     
  19. RocketManJosh

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    I entirely agree ... At times I wish I had never signed up for this forum, but I guess what else would I do at work :)

    But it is sickening ... When I first signed on everything was Cat's fault and I defended him tirelessly. Now that it's not Cat's fault, its all Steve's fault. And I am seeing more and more blaming everything on Yao.

    Bottom line is that the Rockets TEAM has problems ... Every person on this team is a part of it and has flaws
     
  20. acrophobia98

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    Some Steve lovers simply, blindly accept everything Steve did was great.

    If you read those articles objectively and independently, it was not the trash talk that costed us the game, it was Francis' action as a result of the trash talk.

    Atkins was part of the trash talk too but he did not follow that up with stupid plays. So, Detroit won. It was Francis who went one-on-five after that and missed four shots in a row. Also, he pretty much used up most of the clock in every plays in the second quarter.

    Did some of these pure Francis lovers notice that we lost the game in late first quarter and the second quarter. We went from a good start to 14 points behind. Yao was not even on the court during that period and you guys blamed everything on Yao's lack of aggressiveness.

    Not before long, no other Rocket players (apart from Francis and JJ) were interested in the game; they simply watch Francis play. That was another major problem apart from Francis' missed shots.

    If you watch the game tonight at the start, it is a totally different ball game. Francis distributed the ball so well like a real quality all-star PG. All three big men scored (100% FG - 5 for 5 at the beginning) to give us a 17 point lead in the first quarter.

    You know how well Francis played. He shot only one for four but with five assists in the first few minutes. That's how a team wins game. Not one-on-five to lighten up the other team.

    I'll take tonight's (first quarter) Francis anytime over any other point guard in the league, but not last night's Francis.

    :)
     

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