Actually, you didn't need to explain in such a great detail. I just used my question to counter this point of yours about Jermaine O'Neal. "A true star, expecially one surround with so much talent, should have been able take his team to the next level." I just found it funny that you used this point as arguement that JO is not an elite PF (not that I think he is, mind you) and then next you considered SF as an elite guard. Know what I meant?
the fact that the last 10 years there were no great point gaurds in great team doesn't change the fact that a great point gaurd can win a title. Magic, thomas. those weren't bad point gaurds, And SF useless? so you woudn't want to hav Bird on your team he was a SF. positions do not make a player. If the player is great he is great he can win a title, so the last couple of years there were no great point guards.And No i do not think Kidd is a great point guard.
Gary Payton was great. Fact is that the use of PGs is very minimal. Teams rarely use trapping/full court defenses to where a steady ball-handler is of most importance. Moreover, the game is much slower, making it a big man's game. PGs can only thrive in the East.
apparently Payton wasn't great, he was verry good, but he coudn't lead his team to a championship. A great point gaurd can lead his team to a titel. Why should a position hold people back? so in your view, a player that plays PG, can't win a championship, but if he changes position, and starts to play SG he can? ok now i'm in favor of making steve a SG
I think i brought this up a couple of weeks ago without the poll, so i don't think its that stupid. The only thing that I've always thought of is, would Indy do it? If I'm Houston, I would do it without Tinsley. It would have to be a combination of Taylor and Francis=J'Oneal resigned. For all those people who say he struggled or will struggle in the west, check this out vs the power in the west. Teams: fg% ppg rebs blks Dall 47 24.5 12.5 1.5 Sa 37 21 9.0 3.0 Phoe 64 24 7.5 2.5 Sac 63 22 9.5 2.0 Utah 48 19 8.5 3.0 La 42 25.5 15.5 2.5 Minny 44 22.0 12.5 1.5 Port 48 28 9.0 1.0 I'm not going to add those numbers up, but against the elite, it looks like he did pretty well. I would do it in a heartbeat, but I don't think Indy gives up a 24 yr old big man for a 26 yr old tweener. O'Neal is a double-double which only about 6 or 7 players in the whole league can say. He and Ming would work wonders together and they could have basically anyone run the pg spot as long as he can hit a open shot.
No, because O'Neal and Yao would not coexist well in the post. The only way I would consider it would be if I could then turn around and trade O'Neal for Brand and Piatkowski.
I'd do it. Always take height when it comes to equal potential/talent. But I'd rather acquire Brand without giving up Steve or Yao, which is entirely possible in a 3-way deal.
your nick says it all soo . . someone thinks that naughty steve francis is taking away from his gweatand powewful MING. . . and wants to get rid of him at all costs. Francis > O'neal more importantly Francis/Yao > O'neal/Yao If francis does not help on the double team HOW THE HELL DOES O'neal??? O'neal is so far from a young Akeem it is ridiculous. Rocket River
Are point guards useless in the west. . . or is the west full of useless point guards? I content those teams won INSPITE Of the PGs true enough . . but they had enough talent to overcome the weakness A good PG kills some western teams [See the Nets vs the west, See Starbury killing teams for 40, etc] a good PG in the west is like a good Center in the east. . . .a rare gem Rocket River
So if we do a S&T, that means we have to convince him to come here first. Now, why would he come here when there are other teams, in need of his services, that can offer him a max contract free and clear? IMO, O'Neal has better options than Houston. Several options. Once again, people do not think trades through very clearly.
About time somebody pointed out that he's a free agent. Also, for all the people who complain about streetball, wait til you get a load of Tinsley. As for the crap about Steve's prioritites and comparing him to Robinson, that is just bull ****. People shouldn't say crap like that without even looking into it. I love it, Steve has a hobbie and suddenly that means that all his money goes to that and that he doesn't give a dime to charity. First of all, the reason Francis probably hasn't started a 9 million dollar school is because his earnings for his first 4 years probably total 12 to 14 million, not counting his shoe deal. Still, I doubt he has 9 million just sitting around, even with his tax refund. Also, how quickly people forget that he donated money to Yao's SARS telathon. Of course, whenever he does something charitable, he doesn't have a PR person contact the media. How do I know that? Calvin Murphy talked about it once. He mentioned that Steve and Cat don't like to draw attention to the things they do. Murphy talked about how his charity needed some vans and before he could ask Steve and Cat were at a dealership personally buying and delivering a couple of vans so that the kids could go on fieldtrips.
What a stupid trade that would be. Francis is one of the top point guards in the game today. In Francis and Yao we have 2 of the best players at their positions. It would be a big mistake to trade either of these 2 players. Jermane O'neil is overrated in my opionion. The only reason why he's been an all-star this past few years is cause of his geographical location. He wouldnt be an all-star if he had been playing in the west. The Pacers got sweeped by the Celtics for crying out loud. Jermaine got his ass Shut-out by Walter Mcarthy & Tony Battie.
I have learned 2 new things today: 1.) Winning a best of 7 series in 6 games constitutes a sweep. 2.) Dropping 23 points and 18 rebounds with 3 blocks a game is considered being "shut-out". (Yes, that was O'Neal's playoff AVERAGE vs. the Celtics)
I voted yes. I think Francis has the most upside of the 4, but I'd like to see if we can win with a "true point guard." Also, this forum wouldn't be Francis-hater haven that it seems to be. Sometimes, you don't know what you got till it 's gone.
Other than San Antonio, there's no better situation than Houston. Also, he said that he wouldn't leave the Pacers hangin, i.e., will make sure it's a sign n trade IF he leaves.
It always amazing me how people only look at the offensive side of trades. This trade is not only about offense, but it is about making the Rockets the best defensive and reboudnign team in the league, almost instantly! this trade is a nobrainer, imo. failing to make this trade is banking too much on the theory of prototype PG and Cs matching up, and futher, that is not even true in the situation, as SF is not close to being a prototype PG....so it would be about your love for SF as a scorer (with no defense) being matched with Yao. <b>What this does for our offense</b> DVauthrin makes the case that PF/C combo aren't balanced? Well, isn't that Tinsley's job to balance them? But more than that, there is no rule that PF/Cs don't mix. DVauthrin, Yao Ming seems like a natural in the high post. Yao as a playmaker in the high post ala Divac, Sabonis and Walton would make it nearly impossible to double team O'Neal, and vice versa. A strong PF/C combination can be very hard to defend when one of them can play high post (Duncan is another example of the power of the high post). Note: The leading score on Walton's championship team was his PF, Maurice Lucas. <b>What this trade would do to our defense.</b> PF and Cs conflicting is nowhere close to being a rule. In fact, the rule tends to be that defense wins championships Who argues that this trade wouldn't make us a dominating defensive team...as in ring dominance.
Codell, a SnT allows a FA to get a 7th yr in the contract, rather than only 6 when moving teams via free agency, rather than trade. It allows 12.5% raises each yr, rather than 10%. That 7th year comes in at roughly $15m. SnT give the player a *significantly* more lucrative contract. The main reason for SnTs is about the players trying to get more money and allowing more teams without cap room to join into the bidding. SnTs have less to do with the player wanting to help find compensation for his previous team, or the team having the power of trade over unrestricted free agent rights.
