You know what I'm gonna do with that strawberry ice cream? I'm gonna pick it up, shine it up real good, and stick it straight up.... . You like pie?
Passing is contagious. Add Andre Miller and and Mobley becomes a 30 point scorer. Griffin is allowed to post up. Morris is allowed to cut. Your teamates work harder when their point guard trusts them. Dribbling and dribbling is miscreation not creation.
Rudy says this stuff all the time. Players in their proper roles win games. If a player isn't good at handling the responsibilities of a particular position then he shouldn't be playing that position. Steve can't run a basic fast break and lacks all of the fundamentals of an effective ball handling point guard. He makes up for some of that with sheer talent but that doesn't mean he wouldn't help the team more by playing a position that fits his skill set more effectively. We should maximize his talent, not minimize it.
The thing with Steve is that he still plays hesitant. I mean what the hell, either shoot or pass. Breaking down your man -- which he can do every time -- doesn't me crap when you can't fill it up. He needs to ingrain a scorers mentality or more of a passing mentality in him fast. But if he needs to clear the floor and have his other four teamates off to the side with their hands on knees in order for him to go to work, then I don't see how that can ever work. Mobley is learning to make quick decisions out there, thats why he's starting to excell once again. The zone and traps or killing Stevie more than any other player right now, it seems. But thats Steve's fault because he trust his dribbling skills more than his teamates or his own shot.
hhmmmm who is on the Cavs these days? 12 Bimbo Coles* 31 Ricky Davis 52 DeSagana Diop* 51 Michael Doleac 32 Tyrone Hill 11 Zydrunas Ilgauskas 33 Jumaine Jones 21 Trajan Langdon 4 Chris Mihm 24 Andre Miller 30 Lamond Murray 1 Wesley Person 8 Brian Skinner 20 Bryant Stith 3 Jeff Trepagnier* Doleac is better than any center we have Person is a better shot that cuttino . . .but not a better player didn't Jumaine Jone have a good year last year in philly Same with T-hill The fact that Lucas cannot get players to play does not bely their talent Rocket River
Oh c'mon man. Who here is taking Wesley Person over Mobley? How about Lamond Murray over Mo Taylor or Kenny Thomas? Doleac averages less points and rebounds than Cato. Ilqauskas shoots 41% and for a center he should be taken out and shot. Cleveland's talent, especially offensive talent completely blows.
Francis For Miller Im trying to mind my own buisiness.. but ive just gotta say that trade makes a lot of sense. a perfect analogy is the Nets with Stehphon Marbury and now the nets with Jason Kidd. Or look at the Suns with Jason Kidd as opposed to Stephon Marbury. Granted, Stephon Marbury may score alot of points, and make some nice athletic moves and what not...but as far as getting teamates involved, obviously it just doesnt work out. the Suns were a playoff team with Kidd. Now they are not with Marbury. the Nets were a non playoff team with Marbury. They are now the best team in the east with Kidd. the Rockets are a non playoff team with Francis. They are definately a playoff team with Miller, no question. Francis for Miller? lets do it. im sick of losing....
that is not a perfect analogy. in order for that to work andre would have to be leading his cavs team to the playoffs or at least a decent record in the pathetic east. also, kidd is superior to andre miller and he has had the benefit of playing with a healthy nets roster, which marbury didn't. an analogy that would work would be if we did this trade and miller came in here with our fully healthy roster and led us to the playoffs. in that case it would be similar, it wouldn't be the point guard pulling the impossible, it'd be the consitency in the lineup.
timing- i don't think anyone would trade mobley for person but it's important to recognize that wesley is a tremendous jumpshooter that makes miller's job alot easier. mobley is also a good shooter but alot of what he does is with iso's and not through steve. also, comparing mo taylor to anybody on their team makes no sense because he hasn't stepped foot on the court this season. it's also convenient that you compare doleac to cato instead of mihm. when i look at the stats i see mihm giving 8.3 ppg and 5.6 rpg. on top of that he's a superior back to the basket player, same with ilgauskas. he happens to average 10.5 points a game. we don't have a far superior offense to anyone let alone cleveland. factor in that we have had the most lineup changes in the league with integral pieces missing significant time, and i'd say they've had the better offense.
My reference was to the offensive talent, not the actual offenses. Person is a one dimensional offensive player. If anything Mobley would make Miller's job *easier* because Miller would not be forced to set up a catch and shoot player with every play. Defenses would have to honor Mobley's ability to drive and create his own shot thus taking more pressure off of Miller. As for Mo Taylor the comment here was in reference to team records over the last 3 years. Mo played all of last season. I compared Doleac to Cato because the comment was made that he was better than any center we have.
Just throwing out some potential problems with any deal here: 1) The Rockets would never trade Francis unless he made it absolutely clear he would not return for 2003-2004. Ditto Mobley. Due to their close friendship, I just can not see the Rockets doing anything to break them up .... I think they feel their future backcourt is set. It's going to be all frontcourt positions where the Rockets will be focusing (though I could see them wanting to bring in a veteran backup G to help Francis) 2) While I think the Cavs would do such a deal, I doubt they could re-sign Francis... I can't see Stevie signing long-term with Cleveland. That would pretty much squash any deal since Cleveland would only deal Miller if they felt they couldn't re-sign him.
I'm just as sick of loosing, but I'd replace Rudy with Van Gundy first. I would hope Rudy sticks around as ast. GM or something because he has a gift (or someone in the Rockets org does) for finding talent. I'd also trade Mobley with Steve.... if you tried it any other way you'd have a repeat of draft night. wack idea no 1 If memphis got the No.1 overall Steve and Cat 4 Gasol, Dickerson, and Jason Williams (Duke) Williams Dickerson Rice/Buttler? EG Gasol wack idea no 2 if Denver got the pick Steve and Cat 4 Posey, Mcdyess and their pick Williams Posey Rice/Jeffries? Mcdyess Kato wack idea no 3 Cleveland gets the pick Steve and Cat 4 Miller, Person, Jones +swap picks Miller Person Jones EG Ming hmmm interesting anyway
If Andre Miller is so good, why are the Cavs so bad? I mean, at least Steve has played on an NBA team with a winning record. Despite playing in such an excrable conference, the Cavs have not gotten ONE BIT BETTER while Miller has been there. He's Shareef Abdur-Rahim, good player, nice numbers, not a difference maker. He hasn't made a difference in Cleveland, just like Rahim didn't make a difference in Vancouver. Rahim isn't making a difference in Atlanta, what makes you think Miller would, in any way, make this team better, or even make a difference? Edit : Also, Miller has played in nearly all his teams games, Francis has been hurt a large portion of the year. Yet Miller, for all his supposed brilliance, cannot make the Cavs have a better record than the Rockets.
so...y'all just want to argue at the expense of letting another last game gathering thread die, which has been posted twice...by DoD (1 1/2 months ago) and today by RR. peace biscuit
You were sarcastic when you said we should trade anybody but Steve for Miller. As far as I know, you're a Stevie hater. My point was, if it came down to it, I would rather trade Cat than Steve. As much as we b**** about Steve's assist to turnover ratio, Cuttino has a 1:1 TO/assist ratio this year. Over their career, Steve has shot better than Cuttino. So, if it was trade Cuttino for Miller instead of Steve for Miller, I say, why not?
Overall, in Steve's 3 year career, we're around .500. Not exactly losing. Losing is our record without Steve and Andre's record with Cleveland. Cleveland's offense is taylor made for Miller. Cleveland's problem is that they are very slow on defense and have no shot blockers. Murray and Person could out shoot Cuttino and Kenny any day of the week. Murray and Person know their roles. Stand at a certain spot, and Andre will find you. Jenny and Cuttino's offensive game is to dribble, dribble, fake, pump fake, pump fake, shoot, and wait for Steve to get the rebound. Steve can't get an assist that way.
Miller might be = to Francis right now. However, Miller has nowhere the potential that Steve has. Would not do this trade unless we got draft picks or some other stuff.
