Rashard should have definately been selected. We had 3 picks, we could of taken a chance on the hometown kid. I do not know if Rashard is still made at Rudy & CD. But, if he returned to Houston - he would make them pay!! ------------------
I think mobley might be jealous if steve had another close friend.. ------------------ Shane "Save Our Rockets" "Life without basketball in Houston........without an arena that is what it will be"
barbourdg, Reread your post that I originally quoted from. You are all over the map about whom to draft with a mid to late first round draft pick. Draft Lewis who had done zero in college? Does the college career matter? Quoting barboudg: .... I think a player being consistent in college, with improving nubmers is the only factor when drafting in the 1st round!!! From a later post by barboudg in the same thread: Rashard should have definately been selected. Mango ------------------ Get it right or just don't do it! Resistance is futile....you will be assimilated. Start more Webber threads! [This message has been edited by Mango (edited June 11, 2001).]
Mango chill out, that line was in regards to T. Morris. If you read the other part of the post, I stated that it did not mater if they were 18 or 25, if they were improving their game. You always have to look at the possiblity of drafting a future Garnet or Koby. I would just hate to gamble with somebody on the down turn. ------------------
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Perhaps Chicago would take Walt or Cato off our hands if we package the 23rd pick with one of them, in exchange for their second round pick (No. 28?). We could then use the second round pick for Morris, if that is who Rudy wanted. He would not count against the cap, and if he busted, we could cut him without any three year guarantee. Realistically, Chicago's No. 28 pick might have more trade value than Houston's No. 23 pick, so I might be dreaming. ------------------
Cat, no disrespect, but I dont think that Morris is the stud you seem to think. I might be wrong, mabye Morris has tanked the workouts, skip the chicago camp, and played bad his last 2 years at Maryland, so he could follow Steve to the Rockets. As far as Cutino, he was a very RARE - special gem of the draft. Look at Marc Jackson, those type of impact players are very rare that slip through the cracks of the news media and scouts. From Ken Johson to Steven Hunter, from Sam Clancy to Kirk Haston, there are some incredible players originally projected for the 2nd round, which after a strong showing in Chicago and/or team workouts, have placed themselves a head of Morris. As far as Rashard, it is not just an 18 year that thinks he had a commitment from Rudy, it was his grandmother too. I have no idea why she was involved with their discussions, but she was very vocal about the Rockets giving them a commitment. (watch out Morris if you received a commitment too). It would of been a great public marketing situation to draft the hometown kid, especially when they were trying to get the new arena deal passed by the voters. Everyone knew that he had some incredible upside down the road, but instead we got a big TURKISH TURKEY. The scary thing about strong team workouts is the TURKISH factor. Mirsad hit like 23 out of 25 3 pointers in Denver (or somewhere) and had some good team workouts, that is how he moved up into the draft. I think a player being consistent in college, with improving nubmers is the only factor when drafting in the 1st round!!! ------------------
barbourdg, your disdain for Morris has been duly noted. But I'm voting with Cat on this one. If Morris didn't have certain guaranties, he'd be out there busting his tail at the Chicago camp and elsewhere. I know Morris isn't the end-all be-all but I think he'll be really good at the NBA level, especially with the zones coming up. ------------------
I might be wrong, mabye Morris has tanked the workouts, skip the chicago camp, and played bad his last 2 years at Maryland, so he could follow Steve to the Rockets. From what I read, Morris hasn't tanked the workouts. He performed well here in Houston, and the rest I'm sure you're reading from NBAtalk again, which isn't entirely accurate. Have you ever stopped to think that perhaps Morris' decline comes as a result of Francis' departure from Maryland? Morris is not a star, and he is not going to lead his team. He is not going to isolate and take over a game. He is a good piece that could fit great in certain situations, and his game is dependent upon playmakers around him, which we already have in Steve and Cuttino. Morris is a guy who offensively moves well in transition, has a great stroke, and a decent post game. Defensively he plays good defense one on one, rebounds well, and is a good weakside shotblocker. The defensive traits are still there; just many of them don't show up in the numbers that you seem to base so much of this upon. But offensively, Morris' potential increases vastly with a play maker on the floor with him. We have two great ones in Steve and Cuttino, and two pretty good ones in Moochie and Mo. If you let them take care of the playmaking and let Morris run the floor and get the ball in transition, spot up for open jumpers, and post some smaller defenders, you'd be surprised how well he could fit on this team. In addition, he can really play anywhere from the 2 to the 4 on offense, and can defend most players at those positions on defense as well. Morris is the classic type of guy who won't impress many teams and fans before draft day. He's a senior, so people don't think of him in terms of potential like they do the high schoolers and underclassmen. He's not lightning quick, his athletism isn't spectacular, he doesn't have the championship ring of someone like Battier, and he isn't going to beat many people off the dribble and creating on his own like so many raise their stock doing at these pre-draft camps. But, he's the type of player that can produce if a team will look beyond the box score and see how he would fit in the team's overall scheme and give him an opportunity. Rudy typically has been a coach who has done this quite often, and he may with Morris as well. We don't need a star at the SF position with amazing athletism, isolation ability, or creativity. We need a solid, fundamental role player who is versatile, plays solid defense, and offensively can help shoot the ball, rebound, and get out in transition. Terence Morris has an excellent opportunity to be that kind of player here, and I hope we don't pass that up unless an opportunity for something better (like moving up) arises. And, on Lewis-- I know this is a mute point, but if there is a dispute in the interpretation of a statement by the Rockets between Rashard and the front office, which side do you think his own grandmother would take? ------------------ Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
Okay Cat you win, I will give morris the benefit of the doubt. I just hope that he is not another head case, like Cato. One question, if you had the #23 pick and Ken Johson, Jason Collins, Alvin Jones, Gilbert Arenas, Steve Hunter, Sam Clancy, Ousmane Cisse and Terrence Morris are on the board, who would you take? ------------------
