Good Lord you guys, I am not trying to start a riot but Cuttino Mobley is not a top 10 NBA guard. There is no way he is better than Richard Hamilton. Granted Rip might not be able to D like Cuttino can't but Rip has a better offense than he does. Reggie Miller is so muhc better than Cuttino at thie point that Cuttino could only hope to be the player that Reggie is. I dont like Barry that much but.... Barry is one of the most underatted player in the game. THe guy is the consumate team player. You guys loved guys like Cassell and Maxell and Horry back in the day. Do you think the Sonics would be half the team they were, almost makiin ghte playoffs, wihtout barry, At least give the guy some respoect. josh
Maybe Austin an u571 should go to NBA.com, go to the players page select Mobley and do the head to head comparison. And by the way, they're listed as G-F meaning both guard and forward...not a true two guard. That is what was asked for.
No I didnt I meant it for him. I live on 290 thats why I said that. He may not know where 290 is though... I dont know if the guy is in Houston or not. But you know where 290 is so thats why I posted that you caught my drift...
Well austinrocket, I dont know about you but I am trying to start a riot. Some folks are so blind to the facts... But I am going to chill because after our next 82 games you guys will see what I am talkin bout. Im gonna chill and just let time tell my story.. DCBALLER - Your way off playa....
Check your stats boys....... I see 6 games last year where Cat didnt score in double figures. Hmmmmmm seems like his competition had a little trouble stopping him from scoring wouldnt you say? Mobley was our most consistent player last year period. End of story. Carry on......
Ok, here are some good and bad things about Cuttino 1.He signed a low-contract and has to be one of the best values 2.He was 11th in FGA, but 13th in scoring 3.He brings it pretty consistently 4.Good 3pt and FT shooter, can score in all ways...Driving, mid-range, and 3s 5.Is a gym rat, constantly works on game and is progressing 1.Is not the greatest on defense, but isn't horrible 2.Needs to improve on passing 3.Needs to focus a little more on team ball, and not have to show-up everyone that scores on him...I'm not saying back down from people talking, but don't do it at the sacrifice of the team Kobe-Yes he's better Iverson-Talking about team ball, are you? I love him, but he may have more talent, but I'd rather have Cat here than him Christy-one of top defenders, but is not even close offensively Ray Allen-Yep Brent Barry-Improved much, but a little worse Vince Carter-Yep Reggie Miller-Only in the clutch, for a whole season and for the future he isn't Derek Anderson-I think this guy is underrated, but Cuttino is better Steve smith-haha, great 3pt shooter, but not a better overall player, has the experience and hence better decisions Stackhouse-Yeah The only SGs better overall are Kobe, Ray, Vince, Tracy(if you include), Paul Pierce, and I think Eddie Jones is pretty even with him. Wally is a better shooter, but I don't know about overall. Houston is way overpaid. Rip isn't better than Cuttino. He is pretty close, but I don't think quite there. Same with Barry. Kerry Kittles is a laugh. No, WESLEY is a laugh. Not EVEN CLOSE. Jason Richardson will be better, but he is a max player. Christie will never be the scorer Cuttino is. One can't argue with Cuttino's offensive skills. He can take it to anyone in the L, dropping 30 without a doubt. He does need to improve the D and the passing, but sometimes who was there to pass it to? I don't think you all remember his skills, go watch a tape. He isn't top 5, he isn't a god, but he is very good and matched with Steve they are ONE of the best backcourts. There's nothing wrong with voicing your opinion. He should have not mentioned names, but is it so selfish to want to win. Can you really blame him for not wanting another project. He was quoted saying he wants Ming if he will contribute. He isn't anti-Ming, he's anti-losing.
I will always respect Cuttino for being loyal to Houston. I would hate somebody for not at least recognizing at least that. He is a good player but I dont think he is good for the Rockets and I think Mobley thinks more about his pay day than he thinks about the team. Its true. The guys not a bad guy because I'm sure alot of us would do the same thing but I dont think he is what the Rockets need. I don't reallly want Odom. Here is the deal I propose There obviuolsly not going to deal Elton. Lamarobvioulsy is the leverage. Lamar and 8 aadn 12 for 1 and 15 honestly if they offered that to us than we would be stupid to refuse that. Lamar Odom. Jared Jeffries, and Amare Stoudemire. IN my opionoin that would make the ROcks better next year which you guys obioulsy want. I think if we got Yao and still had the 15th and probably still got Jeffires than we would bbe a playoff team Steve could finally show his stuff for you guys.
Umm, in what way is Davis better? Steve scores more, shoots significantly better (have you ever seen Baron Davis shoot a FT or a 3pter? he's horrible), and he gets more boards. Davis gets more assists but I don't think anyone can argue that he has better players at every position (except SG where Mobley is better than Wesley, but Mobley scores mainly off one-on-one's). The only thing I'll give Davis is he is a better defender, but that hardly makes up for being worse in every other category. I'm also getting extremely peaved by people who say that if a player hasn't lead his team to the promised land then he's obviously inferior to a player that gets to the playoffs with inferior play. Have you ever thought that a TEAM makes it to the playoffs? Could Davis have brought us to the playoffs last year if he were on our team instead of Steve? Hell no he couldn't. If Shaq was surrounded by 4 quadriplegics and won 10 games a year, would he not still be the best player in the league? He can't force his teammates to make plays if they all suck a$$hole. The only way you can compare a players intangible value is if you have the exact same team before and after a guy left (look at Phoenix when Kidd left), but you can't compare a guy on a completely different team with different players and say that since he made the playoffs he's the better player. I think you can ask anyone with half a dinosaurs brain who has a better frontcourt, Charlotte or Houston and every one of them will say Charlotte. Next thing I'll hear about this regurgitated BS is Derek Fisher is the best PG in the game because he ran the point on the team that won the championship (well, I guess we have to wait a few weeks before its official).
I can't believe people think that one dimesional, old, slow, jump shooters like Reggie Miller and Steve Smith are even in Cat's league. Its not even close. I'll say this, If the Spurs had Cuttino, instead of Steve Smith, they'd still be playing. I won't even touch the rest of this nonsence.
i think that u851662 has everything straight. Mobley is a good offensive player but honest would you guys say that he is better than Mad Mad. ( Vernon Maxwell) No. Mad was one of the biggest clutch shooters of out time and made the Rockets what they are. Ther remind me of each other honestly. I don't necessarlily want the Rock's to get rid of Cuttino but i do think that he and steve need to grow up , which i do think will happen. Rocks need to drat Yao and if no DO: NOT TRADE the first pick PICK CARON BUTLER Jason Williams is going to be a good point maybe even an all star, but i think that we would all agree that Paul Pierce is one of the top 5 players in the leuage and I think that most of us agree that Caron will be on his level. I am biased towareds Yao but if that doestn't happen than the 1st should be used on Caron, he is is more worthy than Jason.
and by the way, Reggie Miller is a much better player at this point than Cuttino Mobley. Steve Smith might not be, but Miller is one of the most amazing guards in the league and he is still doing it. Mobley is a great offensive player but i think that Michael Dickerson will be much better when he is healthy. Just like Francis with Baron.
No GM would ever trade Cuttino Mobley for Brent Barry. Brent Barry is a role player who can not even come close to scoring Mobley-like numbers. Mobley looked almost like an All-Star last year, and is a talented scorer. Mobley is a a bit better than Hamilton. Mobley averages more points, rebounds, steals, and blocks than Richard Hamilton. He also has a better field goal and three-point shooting percentage. Doug Christie is not better than Mobley. He may be better at defense, but he can't even hold a torch to Cuttino Mobley in s8coring. Christie is older and it is not likely he will develop Mobley-like shooting. Mobley is an up and coming player still. Cuttino Mobley is one of the biggest deals in the NBA! He could be making much more money somewhere else, but he knows the meaning of loyalty. Why don't you bash all the other teams that passed up Rashard Lewis in the secound round also? Cuttino Mobley is better than Steve Smith. It seemed like Steve Smith showed up for only one half of the season. His three point percentage was so good since he got millions of open shots which were created by Duncan. Cuttino Mobley has elevated his three point shooting even though there is no inside presence to help him. Saying that Maurice Taylor was the main reason the Rockets had a successful season that year is hilarious. Have you considered the reason why we did so bad this year was the injuries to Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley, and Glen Rice also? Cuttino Mobley might not be the best defender, but he is improving. Reggie Miller seems like he only plays when its important. Cuttino Mobley plays consistently. I'll give Brent Barry some respect when you give Cuttino Mobley the credit he deserves. How do you know he's thinking more about his pay day than the team? He already sacrificed money to be loyal to the Rockets.
Christies, Barry, Miller, Anderson, and Smith are not better than Cuttino Mobley. Stop exaggerating to make a point. It just makes you look more stupid. Rodney Rogers has never averaged above 16 points in his career, and his team never got better just because he slipped into a bench role. Cuttino Mobley does not have bad defense. He uses his athleticism well to defend, he just needs to use his head and he can become a really good defender. And your credibility is really shot by posting false stuff about players like Rodney Rogers... Why don't you check the NBA.com website? How would you know? He could have demanded a higher salary last time, but did not. What facts have you presented to prove Cuttino Mobley is not a good player? You just diss him without proving a single thing. Real effective...
I ruffled some feathers huh? LOL! Its all good, believe what you want to believe... I feel he is a Grizzly type player and, would have prefered to keep Mike Dickerson. Bad thing is he will never be traded, its at the point where If the trade Cutino - Steve wont stay. Austinrocket we are going to have to deal with Cutino forever...
It is funny, that is what they were saying about Bibby until last year ("a self-centered, shoot first PG") and now he is the greatist clutch team player since Magic Johnson. It is amazing what actually playing with good players on an outstanding team can do to change the perception of a player. Brent Barry, like KK, also was extremely medicore until he played with an all star and defensive monster of a PG (which allows those guys to take the weakest offensive player on the court). Further, both of these guys have choked so many times this playoffs it wasn't even funny, in fact they have had a hard time staying on the floor this playoffs in the meaningful moments. No way in hell we are a better team with one of these guys instead of Mobley (for one, Mobley is a better defender not to mention more dynamic scoere than either). I personally would take Mobley over Rip Hamilton--but these two guys are close. DA is also close but he is a poor mans Mobley. Mobley is way more dynamic, more clutch, and overall better than MD (thankfully the Grizzlies wanted MD). For those of you who think Mobley takes "so many" ill-advised shots, he shot a higher FG and 3% than Houston, Spree, Terry, Jones, Stack, Iverson, and the Richardsons (Q and J)--and all of the latter except JR had better players around him. Of the top 20 scoring SGs, only Ray Allen (I admit he is better than Mobley when healthy) and the ole D playing Wally, Person and Barry shoot better from the field and 3 land. To conclude there is at most a handful of SGs in the league I would trade Mobley for, we are fortunate to have one of the 10 best SGs locked down at a bargain price and who will put his ass on the line everygame. Is he the best in the league, no, is he top 5, no, is he a great bargain, yes, could he improve elements of his game, yes, nontheless we are very lucky to have him indeed.
Derek Anderson.. He could not carry Mobley's jock. IMHO The only players I would say are better than Cat would be: Kobe Iverson Allen The rest either don't matchup talent wise or they play the 3 position and are exempt from this experiment.
This is not the only place I've heard the Mobley bashing, and I just do not understand why. His contract is a steal. He enjoyes the game. He has improved every year. People say he doesn't play good D but the stats tell a diff. story. I've pulled the stats of some of the better two guards. Next year he has a chance of making the all star team if he continues to improve at the same rate he has shown IMO. Player PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% FT% 3P% MPG Mobley 21.7 4.1 2.5 1.47 .50 .438 .850 .395 42.1 Finley 20.6 5.2 3.3 .94 .36 .463 .837 .339 39.9 Allen 21.8 4.5 3.9 1.28 .26 .462 .873 .434 36.6 Hamilton 20.0 3.4 2.7 .6 .22 .435 .890 .381 35.0 Sprewell 19.4 3.7 3.9 1.16 .17 .404 .821 .360 41.1 Wesley 14.2 2.1 3.5 1.10 .22 .400 .734 .332 37.1 Stackhouse 21.4 4.1 5.3 1.01 .49 .397 .858 .287 35.3 Pierce 26.1 6.9 3.2 1.88 1.05 .442 .809 .404 40.3 Iverson 31.4 4.5 5.5 2.8 .22 .398 .812 .291 43.7 Bryant 25.2 5.5 5.5 1.48 .44 .464 .828 .250 38.3 Mobley does need to improve his assist numbers. Only A.I. plays more minutes. Only Pierce and Allen shot a better 3P%. Only Hamilton, Allen, And Stackhouse had a better FT%. Only Bryant, Pierce, Finley and Allen shot a better FG%. About his defense. Only Pierce had better BPG, and he also plays sf. Only Pierce, and Iverson had more SPG and Kobe was right there. He did have the worst APG numbers. His RPG were among the leaders at his position. Only Allen, Pierce, Iverson, and Kobe scored more. So looking at this I see Allen was a better offensive player and only scored 0.01 more PPG, and Mobley was a better defender. Iverson put up better numbers but shot a terrible %. Bryant put up better numbers and is the best player in the game, but the defensive numbers are almost the same, and Mobley shot better FT and 3P%s. Pierce put up the best numbers with MVP consideration. So I'm wondering where all of these better SG's are. Mobley has the quickest first step and cannot be stopped from getting to the rack. He does need to improve his assist numbers but when Francis was out who is the shooter he could count on for the assist. You also have to consider he gets paid less then all of the other sg's mentioned. Also on a regular opposing players say they love to see Cat and Francis play. To me we need to help our weak positions and stop worring about our SG.
