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Francis a NON-Factor

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by egn, Dec 30, 2003.

  1. Rocket River

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    Houston? ALLAN HOUSTON?
    THE ONE TRICK PONY IN NY .. I'll take Steve's Stats to Allans
    ANYDAY

    as for allan not having talent
    Uhm ., . . this is just a Yao hater grasping


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    and you think Steve's Defense is bad . . . . .
     
  2. Rocket River

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    Elton BRand?

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  3. Rocket River

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    sounds like Eddie Griffin

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  4. O-dawg

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    You're right he didn't take over in the third quarter, he did took over in the fourth... when Yao picked up yet another stupid foul. Steve took over by not only hitting some key baskets, but also set other players up to make key baskets.

    What game were you watching? Oh, I know you probably turned the game off when you realized that your boy Yao wasn't coming back in the game. The lakers game was one of Steves most complete games and you pick that game to gripe at Steve about. Further proving the fact that you are nothing more than a Steve hater who posts nothing but garbage.

    Instead of focusing so much on Steve, how about you focus on ways to make your favorite player (Yao) better.

    1. teach him the fundamentals of rebounding (this is not volleyball)

    2. teach him how to get rebounding position (how many more guards and small forwards are going to out play him for position under the basket)

    3. teach him how to hold on to the rebound once he does get it.

    4. Please teach him the fundementals of getting and maintaining lowpost position (he has a big base and should be able to hold position, if he knew how to get it in the first place)

    5. teach him to lean into the defensive player to create space for his shot, instead of always going to that damned fall away. (he's a friggin' big man, not a guard)

    6. teach him to always see the ball and see it until it is in his hands (sometimes I think the guy has hands of stone)

    7. teach him to take it to the rim with aggression, instead of constantly pump faking and laying the ball up. (it disgusts me when he gets his stuff swatted when he is less than a foot from the basket)

    8. teach him to jump every once in a while when he shoots and rebounds damnit...

    9. teach him to move his feet on defense, instead of always thinking that he can simply reach for blocks

    10. and finally can you help him grow a friggin' pair and actually play like a 7'6'', 300 some odd bound center should.


    p.s.- I don't hate Yao, but I am sick of all of the one sided criticism on this board. Dogging Francis and others, while ignoring our savior Yao's deficiancies is not going to work.
     
  5. Rivaldo2181

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    This has to be stupidest thing I have read here since "Tim Duncan is not that good." A TO is a TO.
    The Rockets would have been in the playoffs 3 of the past 4 years if they were in the weaker Eastern Conference. Put Orlando in the west the past 3 years that Mcgrady has been there, I bet they would have one of the worst records in the West. Peace.

    I think someone already mentioned this but I was thinking the exact same thing as I read your reply: EDDIE GRIFFIN. I think we can all agree that there needs to be a change but I don't think the answer is to trade Stevie especially trading him for a mediocre power foward like Chandler. I don't think the Rockets would be a better team with Mcgrady if we got rid of Francis. Mcgrady needs to take 25-32 shots per game to be effective. He wouldn't settle for less...WHy do you think he didn't want to stay with the Raptors??? I think the answer is Vince Carter was already the man and dominated the ball and Mcgrady wanted to be that man as well. He wouldn't settle for bringing the ball up the court and waiting for Yao to do something with the ball.

    You want some more Jay-Z quotes you can buy a CD or turn on the radio. I don't claim to be all-knowing and philosophical so I don't know where you got that from.
     
  6. MFW2310

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    How about a 20/6/6 guy who has NEVER made the playoffs and if stuck on a team by himself would NEVER EVER make the playoffs.
     
  7. MFW2310

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    Hey, you're entitled to your opinions, but if both players were around the same age, I would take Allan Houston's playoffs AND NBA finals over Steve any day and twice on sundays. So yeah if you want Steve more than you want Rockets wins, go right ahead. Bottom line, Allan Houston at least delievered for several seasons and he was rewarded for it, where as Steve never did but he got the dough any ways. As I mentioned before, I don't think either player deserves the max. But at least Houston can actually make an argument, whereas Steve's argument (or lack thereof) is a joke.
     
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    Yes, for one, I think we should basically change the rules to allow every player in the league 2 free TO's. Meaning the first two TO's committed by ANY player on ANY team should not count and we start counting from the 3rd one. The reasoning for this is quite simple - that every player in the league dribbles the ball off their foot consistently, or they drive into the lone defender on a 3 on 1 fastbreak, or they consistently make atrocious passes, or fail to cross half court in 8 seconds or get their team into like 2 24 second violations every game. So since the above are NBA norms, we should treat it as it is and change the rules to allow 2 "freebie" TO per game for every player.

    TMac also NEVER took 25 - 32 shots a game for an entire season. The closest he came to that was last season, in which he took 24 a game, in which he averaged 32.1 PPG, in which he was pretty much the Magic's only scoring option. If you're really gonna blame a player for being selfish based on that stat alone then blame Kobe. He averaged 23.5 shots a game despite playing on the same team as Shaq and average 2 less PPG than TMac.
     
  9. leebigez

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    This might go on forever. I have problems with Francis just lke i have thm with Ming. History has a lot to do with it and if history is worth a damn, everyone knows its easier to win ith a Ming than with a Francis. If you canmove Francis for a quality player, I would do it. No one on this board can claim that he is untradeable. Marbury and Kidd has been traded 2 times and they are 2 of the better pg's in the league. If I had a chance to get a McGrady for a Francis, only a fool wouldn't tak that. Mobley could go back to playing the psuedo pg or if some combination of McInnis-Wallace for Francis and someone, then I think that can be done also. This tam isn't that far off,but more important is the future and direction at which you will go. I want to see how many tems have won the ring or even made it to the championship when the pg didn't have at least a 2:1 to ratio. Its expected for big men to have a 1:1, but when you're primary ball handler dishes less than 5 and to's almost 4, that takes your team out of alot of scoring chances.

    As far as Ming, i think he needs more strength and conditioning. I really think those summer gmes really,really hurt and I'm hoping that this summer will be the last for a while. His stamina is terrible and its no secret why alot of players don't play in those games and still participate in the rigors of the nba. Ming has his issues in his 2nd yr, this is Francis 5th and he seems to be oing backwards. Francis will not be moved this season because he's byc,but after the season, I hope the Rockets make a serious move at McGrady because i know Orlando will be scared of losing McGrady for nothing. I think all the moves this season will be mino compare to next summer.
     
  10. Juugie

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    You do know Yao has never made the playoffs either.

    Don't give me any rookie crap either. Yao was the starting center. Amare was a rookie last year and was a big reason why they beat us out for a playoff spot. If STeve takes crap for us being lottery bound last year, so does Yao Ming.
     
  11. Juugie

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    It's earsier to win with a dominant big man. But Yao isn't one so unless we trade for one, we're still up the creek.
     
  12. farhan007

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    you must be getting all this info from this year, and havent seen the games where he actually was unstoppable... Becasue there was quite a few games he was.
     
  13. dfoolz

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    If players in this league were payed what they were worth Francis would get payed about 2.5 million nothing more. He can score but thats it. He cant pass he can hardly defend and he is not a leader!
     
  14. dfoolz

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    What about all the years before Yao? It is time to move Steve while somebody will actually give us something for him!
     
  15. farhan007

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    o gosh!! I wish yao could do that now!!!
     
  16. farhan007

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    dude, your lost. We are talking about the previous 4 seasons were he averaged around 45%.
     
  17. farhan007

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    Wow, MGrady made the playoffs!! Im sure that means Mcrady led his team with a better record than francis led his team with....
     
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    so if mcrady was in the west, you would say he sucked?
     
  19. leebigez

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    So I guess it had nothing to do with Marbury putting his team on his back during the last week or so and Franci having his worse week as a pro? For leadership, we had Cat and Steve going into the tank while Marion and Marbury were taking this team into the playoffs. Remember that Phoenix had to beat sa 2 times in that last week.
     
  20. Juugie

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    Steve is to blame but SO IS YAO!

    Just because you like someone doesn't make them blameless.
     

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