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Frances attibutes win over Spurs to free-throw shooting!?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by solid, Dec 4, 2002.

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  1. bozo

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    After watching most of the games (12 on pay per view and 4 at the Summit) there's no question that the relationship/respect etc between Steve an Yao has grown by leaps and bounds... watching the huddles during timeouts, as well as their actions during the games - there's no jealousy from Steve.....

    as for the comments about the foul shooting... Yao was perfect from the line... 'Hack a Shack' might work - but not 'Foul a Yao'
     
  2. Tango

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    Thank you bozo. My observations exactly AT THE GAMES. The black helicopter conspiracy theorists on this board amaze me to no end.
     
  3. solid

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    Bozo and Tango! Don't you just love those names! What are you guys a stage act, a tag team, fraternity brothers, police buddies? The back and forth cracks me up. "Right On Bozo... You're on target Tango...Back to you Bozo..." I love this stuff!
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  4. kountzer

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    I agree. 95 % of the stuff posted on this board seems to be from know-it-all fools who have nothing better to do. I agree with that totally.

    ~ kountzer ~
     
  5. solid

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    I can't think of a case where name-calling has ever won an argument. When I disagree I just give the reasons why. I respect those who still disagree, it is their freedom, and their choice. Calling names may empower our egos, but it adds nothing to a discussion.;)
     
  6. kountzer

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    You have a point there.
     
  7. gram!

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    i don't need to come here to empower my ego, thats why i have a girlfriend;)

    it's just that alot of us do get tired of all the negative energy around here. i don't like anyone badmouthin anybody in a rockets jersey. and when yall say stuff about stevie bein' jealous and petty it don't set right. i just love the rockets and can't get no one to talk 'bout 'em here in THE GREAT WHITE F*CKING NORTH!!!!! geez, been snowin here forever!

    but it's all good, just gotta remember yall dont talk the same there , what you say is name callin' is just snappin back. don't mean no harm, fool!:p
     
  8. Panda

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    I think it takes a saint to not feel the slightest discomfort when someone just marched in and stole your show. Francis and Yao have mutual respect that's for sure, but won't Francis wonder "if the guy keeps playing like this I'll be the next Scottie Pippen?" Francis likes to be the man. He has to make a decision on how to coexist with Yao now. I'd feel the same way like Francis too, if someone is posing a threat to my leadership, oh well I guess you guys are saints not feeling so under the circumstances. There is bound to be some mixed feelings within Francis now, and he faces decisions to make in the future - whether he pout and bolt like he did in Vancouver, following the path of Stephon Marbury who couldn't coexist with Garnett, or he becomes the bigger man and starts winning rings. It's not beyond reasonability to wonder what Francis' gonna do.
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    I think it's safe to say that Ming will NEVER earn more than Francis. The new CBA, lower ratings, and cable TV hell will have something to do about that.

    With the money envy factor thrown out, Francis' main goal has always been to improve the team. He could easily score 30 as a shooting guard. He could save his energy and lay off the boards. Will he take it personally if he isn't the main man? Not if the team is winning. He wants to win, first and foremost.

    Stop becoming Mini-Troy Barroses and predicting doom when this has been the best and most promising Rockets season in a long time. Enjoy the ride.
     
  10. YaoROY

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    It's not about whether SF would be jealous of Yao or not. Let's face it, right now a lot of players in the league is jealous of Yao. I mean, all those attention from the media and fans, all the possible money and fame he could gain, and add to the fact that he's just a rookie from some place they don't even know. A lot of players would be thinking about how they could take a shot at Yao next time they face him. It won't surprise me if some Rockets players are jealous of Yao right now. But if that doesn't affect the game, there's no problem.

    So the real issue is, could every player on this team forget about their ego and work as a team to go out and play for the win every night? My answer is yes. I have faith in them. They would adjust. And Rudy will make sure of that.
     
  11. rockets-#1

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    This board is for Rockets fans, more specifcally people who love the Rockets-otherwise you wouldn't be taking the time to talk on here. I love every single Rocket and I truly think they have the best team in the league when they're playing their game. Stevie is our Franchise, like Rockets2k said, stop trying to find a way to criticise such a high caliber player. He wants to win more than anything and I don't think it matters to him what it takes (besides cheating). Give him credit and support him for whatever he does-if you're a true Rockets fan. This team will be a dynasty, I CAN'T WAIT!
     
  12. WinkFan

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    In other words, someone can criticize Francis based on the slimmest of evidence, but if anyone criticizes them, you cry foul?
     
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    Hey Winkfan, Solid wasn't crying foul, he was just pointing out there are a lot of people on this board glued to every game that do have different opinions and impressions. I agree with him that overall "unpleasantness" about I]many[/I] honest interpretations.

    Wink has headfirst thrown himself into a position of leadership and responsibility - and I give him complete credit for doing so. Unless he goes for 30, 6 & 6 a night he's going to get heavily scutinized even when the Rockets win consistently. So to all Wink fans (and scattered M.A.S.H. guys) I say just relax - Franchise wants to do it right and maybe a month from now and for years afterward it makes SF look good.

    The Rockets have been a little better than so-so thus far and we should have expected this sort of a start. Solid is just saying people should try to be a little kinder when they defend their favorite player. I'm in Austin and I watched the Spurs game in a hostile environment. I'd have given anything to have had just about anybody who posts here in the place. People do need to remember - and I think especially Steve Francis fans - that when anyone on this team makes a play everybody here is screaming for a Rocket. Discussions on the whole get waylayed by threads like this that are probably more innocent and speculative than you suppose Winkfan. Kudos to Solid.
     
  14. x_trepidation_x

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    It's possible that Steve Francis is worried about his role on the team. It's also possible that we are all wrong.

    <U><B>POSSIBLE Reasons why Francis might be worried</U></B>
    1. Steve will no longer be the “The Man”or the "Franchise"
    2. He might think he will not get as many endorsements
    3. He might be worried about stats

    <U><B>POSSIBLE Reasons why people feel Steve is jealous</B></U>
    1. Preseason comments about Ming both from Steve and Mobley
    -<I>Personally I think players shouldn’t tell the media that they would prefer another player, very unprofessional</I>
    1. Many times, Steve didn’t dump the ball into Ming (even when he is obviously open for a pass)
    -<I>I would rather not debate this one since I have seen it with my own eyes</I>
    2. Steve doesn’t criticizes Yao Ming’s play but he doesn’t bolster them either

    <B>Conclusion:</b> I think there is a good possibility that Steve Francis is a little jealous. I think it is hard sometimes for a player who was supposed to be the future of the franchise to now be second fiddle. I think he realizes in the end, it will not be his team anymore. If he doesn’t realize it then he must have his eyes and his ear shut from every newspaper, every comment, quote, and T.V. analysis that says Yao Ming is the future.
    The media already loves Yao Ming. Opposing players, those who should really know, already suggest he is going to be the future of not only this franchise but the future of the NBA. I think that might be a lot for Francis to grasp considering the Rockets were supposed to be his team. Give Francis some time to adjust to that idea but not too much time because he is a professional and the NBA is a business <B>not his playground to sulk</B>. I still believe Francis needs to <B>change his playing style</B> and become more a playmaker and pass first point guard rather then a shooting guard. I’m not suggesting he shouldn’t take it to the hole or pass up on an open shot but simply get Yao Ming the ball a lot more.

    The issues are arising now because few thought that Yao Ming would progress this fast and some didn’t even think he would progress this far. I think that is why the Steve bashing is beginning now. It was only a matter of time when it was going to occur. With every game it is becoming more apparent that Yao Ming is the future. Yao Ming and Steve Francis can coexist only if Steve takes a back seat to Yao Ming. Only a small percentage would disagree. Charles Barkley, and a few Rocketfans.
     
  15. x_trepidation_x

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    In addition to what I have already written above.

    I hope that Steve Francis and Yao Ming can <B>coexist</B>. Francis is a top player in the league. In fact I think if Francis and Yao work together it will benifit Francis as much as it will Yao. Think about Kobe Bryant. He isn't number one option on the Lakers yet he get so many endorsement deals because he plays on the Championship team. Kobe is considered one of if not the best all around player in the league. Kobe would never have been compared to Jordan if it wasn't for playing on the Lakers. He would have been another Jerry Stackhouse. Maybe a little more. I think this is a situation where the organization and the players can all benifit from. All that I was implying was that Francis needs to work on other parts of his game such as passing, creating for others and general floor leadership. Then maybe he would get considerations for best all around baller in the league.
     

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