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[Fox Sports] Van Gundy isn't problem ... refs are

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by room4rentsf, May 3, 2005.

  1. scutmb

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    They should give one or 2 replay to each side per game, if the team claim prove right after the replay, the team continue to have the right to claim again, otherwise lost one chance. how's that sound?
     
  2. Cohen

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    We have powerful computers and cheap radar chips (used in car bumpers). Install the d*mn chips in the floors and have them help assess contact, travels, 3-pointers, 3 seconds, etc.

    Get off yur arse, stern and earn the salary THAT THE FANS PAY. twit
     
  3. Willis25

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    I agree - I don;t think the refs did a bad job JUST with the ROckets - they have sucked all series for both teams.... the only problem is Houston is paying the price (because they hosed us at the end of the game instead of the 1st quarter)


    overall I am glad that he is saying this - the gutless ESPN hacks are taking stern's side - saying JVG needs to "watch out"
     
  4. Cohen

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    Sad thing is that these are the playoffs... these are the BEST of the Refs.
     
  5. Cohen

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    ESPN sucks more and more. They used to be good.
     
  6. LegendZ3

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    Most of the refs have a great job security, as long as they don't do something really bad, they won't get fired. And that's what's wrong with the NBA. Refs are so comfortable with their position, they can make all the mistakes they want and still keep the job.
     
  7. RocketsPimp

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    Getting to ref playoff games is determined by performance if I recall. If these guys are the best the NBA can come up with, I'd hate to see the worst.

    :eek:
     
  8. thegary

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    david stern has grown way too big for his britches. here are some synonyms for his very appropriate surname:

    STERN = buttocks, nates, arse, butt, backside, bum, buns, can, fundament, hindquarters, hind_end, keister, posterior, prat, rear, rear-end, rump, seat, tail, tail_end, tooshie, tush, bottom, behind, derriere, fanny, ass
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    That's good and all, but it doesn't get at the heart of what Van Gundy had been complaining about: unfair treatment of Yao Ming. Would you get to make a challenge with replay of a hack Yao gets while shooting the ball that doesn't get called? Even if you can, will a ref who saw the contact the first time around decided it didn't warrant a whistle change his mind about it because of a challenge? It may handle a couple of genuine ref mistakes, but how would it address systemic persecution of one player?

    Btw, we just don't know what happens with refs. The NBA keeps a tight lid on those things so we don't hear about it when one is fired or fined or suspended. Maybe Salvatore will see some ramifications for the bad noncall; we won't know.
     
  10. YallMean

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    Fugging 2 replay per half wont prolong the game that much and can ensure fair outcome. Football and Baseball run whole day, why dont you complain about that?
     
  11. Nick

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    You'll be suprised to know that you currently share the exact same sentiment as... gasp... Mark Cuban.

    He's been calling for more accountability for the refs ever since he became an owner. He saw that there wasn't a good enough review/evaluation process in place, and the NBA has since implemented more advanced ref analyzation techniques... but they are still not enough... and definitely not enough to get the top refs to change their ways.
     
  12. room4rentsf

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    I dont want to blame the refs because that is a tough job and when the action is that fast paced what can you do.

    I think Stern needs to acknowledge

    #1 Refs need help and I think communication would go a long way.
    #2 Maybe the 2 refs and a third behind the TV screen watching the action while in constant communication with the 2 refs on the floor would help. The ref behind the screen can watch for 2/3pt shots, block/charge/flopping and communicate this info quickly to the on court refs.
    #3 One Challenge per game. You mess up you lose a Timeout.

    I think this is a good way to #1 cut down on the total number of fouls being calls by only using 2 refs. With another ref watching the action on the TV and communicating it quickly to his counterparts on the floor we get more accurate calls.

    This go along way to cleaning up this mess and hopefully cut down on ticky tack calls.

    J
     
  13. Nick

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    I also agree that the refs have a "hard" time because the game is so fast... but that's exactly why they should be seeking the most help as possible.

    Don't make calls when you're 90 feet away from the play at a bad angle... ask for help. Don't make calls that you're unsure about. Don't make calls just because you anticipate there will be a foul. And if you think you made a controversial call, ask for help before competely ruling it in.

    These are simple things that can be implemented w/ out replay or any other crazy system changes. Unfortunately, some refs have such big EGO's, that they often refuse to ask for help, or will over-rule a lesser-standing ref just based on seniority.
     
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    I agree.

    1. Give 2 challenges to each coach and a lossed timeout as a deterant for failed challenges.

    2. Put the 3rd ref behind a TV screen and give them veto power.
     
  15. droxford

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    He (Stern) could try a replay/challenge system

    or

    He could try adding one ref who just watches a TV monitor

    or

    He could add two refs to the floor - one under each hoop just to officiate things in the paint and on the baseline.

    or

    He could penalize officials for crucial calls or non-calls

    or

    He could pay refs more to increase demand and competition for that job, improving the quality of referees.

    HE COULD DO SOMETHING!! The worst thing he could do is exactly what he's doing right now - nothing.

    -- droxford
     
  16. grummett

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    Out of curiosity, I looked up the officials in the Spurs game and I was shocked to see that Dick Bavetta and Derrick Stafford were listed.
     
  17. Tom Archer

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    Why didn't a Houston writer author something like this?! :mad:
     
  18. droxford

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    It's a LOT better for someone else to write it. For a Houston writer two write that, we'd just be labelled as crying about our bad calls. To hear it from an external source places MUCH more value to the article.

    -- droxford
     
  19. RIET

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    Are you kidding me?

    Jonathon Feigen is the biggest wuss of all time. Read his recap of the game:

    But while Barry held the ball out, waiting to outlet to McGrady, Michael Finley came from behind — and while out of bounds, the Rockets say — to slap the ball from Barry, leading to two Stackhouse free throws.

    Give me a break. He writes as a disinterested third party with no ties to the team.

    Jonathon Feigen is a loser.
     
  20. vwiggin

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    "the Rockets say"? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


    WTF. No, that is not what we said biatches!

    It is the objective reality as shown on television over and over and over again.
     

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