[Fox Sports] Orioles reject offer from Houston for Tejada

i like that. i said the same thing, yesterday.

 

Too bad Tejada has just said that he won't play third.

 

Who would come out of the lineup even if Tejada DID play 3rd? Did you forget about Huff? Part of this exercise, so I thought, was to get AE out of the lineup...not Lamb or Huff.

Either way, hopefully Timmy is still working the O's or the Nats. We won't know until tomorrow.

 

I agree TP doesn't deserve bashing on this, at all.
I agree Ballimer deserves better.
I disagree they lack direction. What thery lack is all but negative - wrong way direction. What a sham. Eminent domain, anyone? (They would be more aptly called the Lost Angelos Orioles.)

 

I find this one a little hard to believe. 3 major leaguers for Tejada? I've been hearing all along that the Orioles want a pitching prospect along with a major leaguer or 2. I'd be more willing to bet, if there was an offer made, it was Lidge, or Lane, or Ensberg and Hirsh, or Patton, or Bartheimer.

 

His attitude is a serious turnoff.

 

This makes no sense unless you believe Ensberg and Lidge are worthless. If they think Ensberg can even be close to his last few years, that's better than Tejada at his best (never had an OPS of 0.900).

The only way Tejada makes sense if he fills one of the massive holes in our lineup - Everett. If he's not doing that, he's really not any better than Huff or Ensberg at 3B. Not to mention the defense we sacrifice with a player who's never played 3B before.

 

That all 5 of so of the teams linked to Tejada want him to play 3rd tells me a lot about his defense at short these days.

 

Yeah, but his values comes from being an SS (whether good or bad). As a third baseman, his numbers are not particularly unique or outstanding. I just don't see why you'd give up much to get him to play third.

 

More info regarding this whole Tejada sega

Miguel Tejada: Houston and Baltimore talked late into the night Friday and again Saturday, said sources close to the talks, with the Astros offering a package that includes shortstop Adam Everett and third baseman Morgan Ensberg. The Orioles want young pitching back, and it is believed they would demand right-hander Jason Hirsh in any deal with Tejada as the centerpiece.

Houston also was involved in talks with Milwaukee before the Brewers traded Carlos Lee, and they remain engaged in the Soriano discussions. But indications now are that Tejada is their primary target.

"They want to get it done," one source with knowledge of the talks said. "(Astros GM Tim) Purpura is out of his mind right now to get it done."


http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9577634/2

 

Agreed that he's much more valuable at SS, and he doesn't help the Stros that much if Ensberg's got his **** together.

If he can't play SS long-term (and it doesn't look like many people not named Miguel Tejada think he can), then yeah, his value takes a pretty good hit.

But...

He'd be in the top 5 of MLB 3B in BA, R, RBI
Top 10 in OBP, SLG, 2B, HR

He, Miguel Cabrera & David Wright would be the only MLB 3B in the top 10 in all those categories. Rolen & Garret Atkins miss out by 1 HR.

Not too shabby.

 

The only player worth trading for, IMO, is Tejada since he is signed for three (?) more years altho' he could demand a trade.

Big pkgs for rent-a-players are NO to me this year (as if I have a vote).

 

.331 avg
19 hr
75 rbi
72 runs
.523 slg
.902 OPS

1019 consecutive games played.


I'm pretty sure his numbers would be pretty damn good at any position. There aren't that many 3B that are doing these things.

 

He is not playing third

 

I like Ensberg just as much as Tejada as a 3B. Ensberg's OPS last year was significantly better and his OPS this year is in the same range, even with the injury and the slump. There's absolutely no reason to deal Ensberg plus other talent for Tejada if you're effectively going to get a hitter with similar value to Ensberg... and that's what we'd be doing if we put Tejada at 3B.

Don't overthink this, Tim... Tejada's value is as a SS. We already have solid third basemen. Go for Soriano as opposed to that idea.

 

Yes, but Ensberg has similar HR / OPS numbers, and he's sucked for more than half the season. Why trade him, Lidge, AND another player for a guy who's worse than Ensberg if healthy. I'm not even saying Ensberg has to be last year's Ensberg - just the average Ensberg over the last 3 years puts up those types of overall numbers. (Lower average, more power, better at getting on base)

Unless, of course, Ensberg will never be the same - but that's an awful lot to trade on that assumption. It would make far more sense if we were trading to upgrade at the SS spot because that fills a hole, whereas replacing our 3B doesn't (especially when you also have Huff at the position in Ensberg continues to struggle).

To me, Tejada only makes sense as a trade if you are bad at 3B or play him at SS. On our team, you'd be giving up a lot for someone who only MIGHT be an upgrade, and he's never even played the position, so you have no idea if he's even capable of it.

At the end of the day, is this team really noticably better losing Ensberg & Lidge, and adding Tejada?

 

Yes, if Tejada is used at SS. And I say that as one of Ensberg's biggest supporters here. However, if he's used at 3B... absolutely not.

 

I agree with you on that. His value is at SS. I was making the argument that, no matter where you put him, he is an offensive force. Keep in mind that we do still have Huff and Lamb should Ensberg be a part of any deal...which I don't believe he should.