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Fox Sports "Ming and Battier overrated"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rldewar, Aug 16, 2008.

  1. RiceDaddy7

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    EXACTLY! Well said. ::hi5::
     
  2. redao

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    if everyone= Bill Walton, then yes, Yao is overrated.

    I think everyone (exclude maybe 5% of Chinese Rockets fans) is saying Yao is a soft, slow defensive liability, a chocker, injury prone, he has been never out of 1st round, never in the first NBA team, never in MVP talks. He was rated as the 4th or 5th best center behind Amare Stoudmire and Marcus Camby. is Yao overrated? by who?
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    battier was chosen to the US Olympic team because of a flawed strategy, not being overrated. The idea was good, execution bad. Instead this year as someone pointed out in the us/spain thread, its much better having cris bosh as your role player.
     
  4. Precision340

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    no kidding.. what a bunch of idiots over at Fox Sports! :mad:
     
  5. magnetik

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    what I want to know is how can they say Shane is overrated when all I hear from the media is how he is always underrated?

    I didn't bother reading the article but is Erik Dampier on the list? Because if he isn't.. he should be. Being the second best center in the west and all.

    The writer sounds like a Dallas writer that's a little bitter because of the Artest trade didn't go their way.
     
  6. redao

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    Dampier is only overrated by himself. everyone else think he is a overpaid scrub.

    Shane is overrated by JVG and a lot of Houston fans. in NBA, no one has rated Battier anything, in this case, Battier is underrated.

    My most overrated player is Jason Kidd, who will be a HOF PG. His weakness is underrated.

    My most overrated Rockets player is Rafer Alston. He is exactly a lesser version Kidd.
     
  7. AstroRocket

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    Nice responses...

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba...most-overrated-overrated-list-?urn=nba,101513

    Introducing the most overrated 'overrated list' of all-time ...
    By J.E. Skeets

    Overrated lists are terrible to begin with, but this one is mind bogglingly amazing. According to FoxSports.com, the top five overrated players in the league are: Wade, Robert Horry, Yao, Marion and Shane Battier. My favorite explanation: "... Yao has been the victim of unparalleled hype. That being said, he is grossly overrated. Didn't the Rockets play their best ball while he was out of the lineup? He doesn't make his team worse, it's just that the Rockets continued to improve during his absence." You know, sub LeBron and Kobe in for Horry and Shane and this list is dead on. Wow.

    http://nba.fanhouse.com/2008/08/18/shane-battier-overrated-nba-player/

    Shane Battier, Overrated NBA Player?

    Skeets at Ball Don't Lie took FOXSports to task for its absolutely absurd "Top 5 Overrated NBA Players" slideshow, which is attributed to no writer but is mentioned as being supplied by Yardbarker. Dwyane Wade checks in at #5 and Yao Ming places #3. Those are ridiculous enough to not warrant dispute. Anyone who watches basketball will know to ignore those assertions.

    But Shane Battier at #1, with the following justification, that really chafes my soul:
    Battier is as consistent as winter rain in the Northwest - if by consistent you mean consistently mediocre. Despite playing nearly 37 minutes per game, he averaged only nine points and five rebounds last season.
    You can tell a ton of research was involved here. I mean, citing both points per game and minutes per game? Heavy, heady stuff. Battier's role is not as a scorer or rebounder, of course. He's a defender, and a role-playing shooter. Houston happened to be the second best defensive team in the NBA, as it was in Battier's first year with the Rockets. Memphis, when Battier played there, also regularly ranked high on defense consistently. Battier has been his team's predominant "stopper" since he entered the league. Hmm...

    FOX also mentions his shooting percentages, which on first glance look poor. This is why we take more than one glance! Battier is #99 all-time in career True Shooting percentage, a figure that accounts for threes and free throws in adjusting raw field goal percentage. Only 98 players in the history of the NBA and ABA have shot more efficiently than Battier. As for consistency: Battier has missed 14 of a potential 572 regular season games in his NBA career. He's among the most durable wings in the game.

    He has never made so much as an All-Star team, and has been voted onto the All-Defense second team once despite a reputation among those who know as an elite stopper. Who exactly is overrating him? Back to the drawing board, fellas.
     
  8. glimmertwins

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    I firmly believe Yao would be viewed completely differently if not for Shaq. Following Shaq, people are always comparing them when there games couldn't me more different. If you think of an elite center as a guy who can throw the ball down anyone's throat on a back down dunk in the paint and gamble for the big block on defense(often getting them into foul trouble instead) then Yao IS completely overrated as a big man who doesn't really do either of those things.

    However, when you look at overall production - Yao is not just one of the best centers in the league today, he is also consistently one of the most productive players in the league. In short, he is a one of the best players in the league for the combination of scoring, rebounding, blocks, assists, and shooting percentages he brings....its just that people want to compare him to one of the best centers ever because the only precedence we have for 300+lb seven footers is Shaq. Yao's not overrated - he's unfairly judged for something he isn't(Shaq) and isn't judged at all on who he is(a solid, smart, skilled big man-one of the best of the game).
     
  9. fangzheng911

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    are u kidding me?

    just a horrible list for eyes.

    yao and battier is overrated?maybe in his own eye.

    but why not put kobe in this damn list?
     
  10. agentkirb87

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    Overrated is tough to judge. And most of the time its not even the players fault. Its the media overrating people, which is kinda odd because the media is making the list of overrated players.

    I think the only list that is meaningful to create is a list of overPAID players. Because that means at one point they thought they were so good and it turns out they aren't. You have guys like Gordon, Rashard Lewis, Zach Randolph (pretty much anyone on the Knicks to be honest).
     
  11. dram1

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    You yanked this comment right from my brain. I was going to say the same thing.
     
  12. dram1

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    They obviously aren't including what's going on in the Olympics...I know the O's aren't the most credible source of evaluation of a players ability, but you have to give it some value and Mr. Wade is Batman with the renowned "best player in the world", Kobe, nicely filling the role of Robbin.

    Now Marion on the other hand maybe is a little overrated, but others that are more fitting of this title are Andrew Bynum, Gilbert Arenas, and Bruce Bown.
     
  13. ccjj

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    Definition of "overrate" : A mistake made by the media and blame it on the player.
     
  14. Th3 Drunk Goat

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    Does this horrrrrrrrible writer know that d wade was battling injuries the whole time and paul pierce the year before had almost the same season. As for Robert Horry, BRA FREAKING FREAKING VO! I bet this jack ass thinks he is the only one in the world who thinks robert horry isnt that good. Its common freaking knowledge, why would you put him on a list of being over rated is beyond me. Robert Horry would tell you himself he isnt a star player. Marion being thrown on a team in the habit of losing mid season is not a fair judgement on his will to win at all. Throw kobe bryant on the heat at that same time and see how many more games they win.

    Yao Ming and shane battier over rated? This tool should really lose his job like now.
     
  15. LoveRoxHateJazz

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    QFT.

    My message must be at least 5 characters.
     
  16. j3188

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    and they call themselves experts..
     
  17. alcatrazpsycho

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    That's my point.
     
  18. plutoblue11

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    I disagree with alot of what you said...First, Yao's numbers have actually gone up over the past 3 seasons when T-Mac is out. Next, I think Sabonis was a better center than Yao was, but I'll assume that you never watched the Sabonis at 20 something years old. Who was a center that might have been the most talented of all time? He didn't have any flaws in his game. I don't think to many centers in the league has his combination of post moves, passing skills, shooting range, and size. You only remember the 30 something year old injury riddled and much slower Sabonis. The Soviet bloc relations keep his career on hold in America.


    Wilt, Shaq, and Olajuwon are cream of the crop centers they are not a good measuring stick for the HOF. Seen lesser players all of the time who make into the HOF. In fact, I can think of two players who are HOFs and were not necessarily dominant....Dave Cowens and Robert Parrish.
    I guess you can throw in Dan Issel, too. I can think of some wing players like Lenny Wilkens, Joe Dumars, and few more.

    I wouldn't call them dominant at all. People still think of them as HOFs.
     
  19. plutoblue11

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    That's part I never get, people have Amare and Dwight over him. Then, some smarks even throw in Bynum, Shaq, Gasol, and occassionally Kaman and Camby. I don't quite understand it. Even though, Yao has better numbers and is far more effective than every player above, except (not conclusively) Howard.

    I saw one list last year, where he wasn't even in the top 5, and this was before he got hurt.

    With Wade being on the list, I know it's a total sham, because when he is healthy is 2nd best SG in the league.
     
  20. jae713

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    Its obvious that this guy is an idiot.But give him credit, he's doing exactly what writters do, write BS so people can talk about them.
     

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