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[Fox Sports] Duane Brown suspended for 4 games

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by rikesh316, Sep 21, 2010.

  1. DonkeyMagic

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    You have a point somewhat. But Brown is a very good LT and he would not need help as much as a backup would. I don't think there was going to be a gameplan to double Ware automatically. They dont do it for Freeney, I dont see why they would do it for Ware.
     
  2. wallyj12

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    Not just this but people seem to be focusing solely on pass protection and forgetting about the running game. I think we're probably going to see a drop off there with Butler, as Brown's athleticism plays well into how we run the ball
     
  3. NJRocket

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    Roger picking on smaller market teams? I've never heard such ridiculousness.
     
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    "who", not "that". :grin:
     
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  7. NJRocket

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    well...he cheated didnt he? im not thrilled about it but he did
     
  8. DonkeyMagic

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    It's not like the dude was pumping roids. He was taking a, legal, over the counter supplement that has a banned substance isnt quite the same thing as "cheating". It's like calling an olympic athlete a cheater for taking sudafed and testing positive.
     
  9. NJRocket

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    he tested positive for an illegal substance....in other words, he cheated and got caught. hes not just a cheater, hes a dumb cheater. When u make as much money as he does, its ur job to know what is going into your body

    he cheated the fans, he cheated his teammates, he cheated his opponents and he cheated himself out of 4 paychecks

    its unfortunate...but it is what it is
     
  10. DonkeyMagic

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    it's not illegal in terms of the law. It's a substance on the NFL's banned substance list. There are plenty of substances on that list that are perfectly legal in society. There are also substances on that list that don't necessarily give one an added advantage, hence my sudafed example in olympic testing.

    The guy was taking an over the counter supplement that he unknowingly contained an ingredient on the banned substance list.

    Cheating is just not the right word. He violated a rule. Big difference.
     
  11. NJRocket

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    thats really all that matters, no?


    he cheated.....just like Cushing , Manny Ramirez, A Rod and anyone else who has been suspended for using a substance on the banned list of their respective leagues.
     
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    Do you know the difference between manslaughter and homicide? One is intentional, the other isn't. You get a much stiffer penalty for one than the other. Just because the NFL punishes steroid use and banned substances equally doesn't mean that the offenses are the same.

    A-Rod and Barry Bonds intentionally injected themselves/knowingly took illegal supplements to give themselves an advantage. Cushing and Manny aren't quite that cut and dry, but it looks like they did the same.

    Neither you nor I know the details about everything that is on the NFL's banned substance list. For all we know, he got a hold of some whey protein that was tainted with something. Dan Riley, former Texans S&C coach, was on the radio this morning saying that that it's possible for one bottle of supplement to be clean, and another bottle of the same exact product to contain traces of a banned substance due to a tainted production in the lab.

    You could argue that he shouldn't take supplements period, but I'm guessing at least half of players do so I don't fault him for that. He just got a bad recommendation on whatever he took. But lumping him in with the obvious 'roid users/cheaters is silly and overgeneralizing it.
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    do you view everything in this world as black and white?
     
  14. NJRocket

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    they are in the eyes of the NFL


    interesting...never heard that before...i guess its possible but seems like thats stretching it...but im no chemist (nor is coach Riley)

    maybe so....but imo, with all the scrutinization of these players these days and the microscope under which they live their lives, train, act etc, he owed it to himself, his team, his fans etc to either be SURE that the supplement was ok or stay away from it

    I still think its cheating (altho maybe not to the magnitude of Mark McGwire, et al ) bc he wouldnt be taking THAT supplement if it didnt help him in some way
     
  15. Buck Turgidson

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    Really? It's been pretty widely reported. Quick google search found this:

    Since the release of the Schanzer report commissioned by the International Olympic Committee in 1999 that showed 18% of all dietary supplements may lead to a positive doping offence, there has been increasing commercial awareness of the adverse publicity companies would face if proven to be connected with contaminated products. The problem is clearly widespread, as indicated by a study conducted by the International Olympic Committee laboratory in Cologne, Germany. Of 634 supplements purchased and tested from 13 different countries, 94 supplements (14.8% of total) contained prohibited substances. Another 10% showed that steroids may have been present but the analysis was not conclusive. This equates to a 1 in 4 risk of contamination with prohibited substances!

    http://www.usatriathlon.org/resourc...l-station/supplement-contamination-is-it-real

    Fifty-eight supplement samples were purchased from popular retail outlets and Internet sites in the United States and sent to HFL (Horseracing Forensic Laboratory), the world’s most experienced anti-doping lab in the field of supplement testing, for analysis. Twenty-five percent of the samples showed the presence of steroid contamination while 11 percent showed the existence of stimulants.

    and

    The risk of contamination of supplements with substances that are on the WADA list is very real. Some dishonest producers put substances like ephedrine in their supplements to make it work. Other supplements are cross-contaminated because doping substances have been produced in the same production line.

    http://speedendurance.com/2009/01/22/the-fear-of-athletic-supplement-contamination/
     
  16. JeopardE

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    There is only one thing more detestable than athletes who cheat in my mind, and that's people who waste no time labeling other people and condemning them without even bothering to give a second or two to some critical thinking.
     
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    reported? apparently

    WIDELY reported? not really but kudos to you for your quick Google skills

    i never said that it was impossible....in fact, i said it was possible...but it seemed like it was stretching it....and apparently the NFL and the other pro leagues do too

    Having said that, if u really think it was WIDELY reported, then why wasnt he more careful? My guess is that the benefits he was getting from the supplement highly outweighed the possibility that his supplement was tainted.

    Furthermore, if it was WIDELY reported, then it lends even more credence to the fact that he cheated bc he should have known that this might happen....in fact, maybe thats why he isnt making a big issue of what he did bc he knew what he was doing when he did it
     
  18. NJRocket

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    so u detest me more than u detest Duane Brown. congrats
     
  19. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    It's not about that, it's about which team he follows. It's not the Texans so time to throw some stones for an easy ego pick me up ;)

    Meanwhile, real Texans fans that have invested the time and misery since the beginning and are taking it hard and being defensive - I think that's ok, it's the home team and could be a special year but then the Texans luck hits and 2 players are suspended.

    Get used to "you only won because of steroids" after EVERY SINGLE GAME we win. It's easy and will rile us up.

    Cowboys suck.
     
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