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Fox: Rockets looking at Antonio Daniels

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by NIKEstrad, Jul 9, 2003.

  1. Glendelicious

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    Daniels is a good player and picking him up makes NO sense. What have all you guys been harping about? We need a stable, pure shooting, POINT guard who can run the offense with Francis on the bench and/or let him swing to the 2 for stretches? We need a guy who can lock down opposing points? We need a vet presence? Look, Daniels can stay in front of his man, points and shooting gaurds alike, but what else does he do for us? He can't run an offense, he can't stretch the defense. I just don't get this one. Ollie? Sure. Ward? Even better, but Daniels makes no sense.
     
  2. gr8-1

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    Daniels and Francis may be the two most athletic 6'3" guys in hte league, apologies to Baron Davis.
     
  3. TaiMaiShu

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    If there is any truth to the Sheed for Cato/Griffin rumors, expect possibly a sign and trade. One that helps the Rox now and relieves the Blazers cap space and give room for the youth of the team. Woods/Sheed/Daniels for Rice/Cato/Griffin plus a pick would make sense and be great. Now the Blazers might be targeting guys such as Rice for the expiring contract. They are not suppose to get better when you clear cap space. You try to fill gaps. Now they can let Griffin and Randolph take over at the four. This also leaves the Rockets with the Mid-level exception to give to the likes of Pike. With this trade the Rockets are pressured to make a move for a center. A couple potential names are Jelani McCoy, Vladimir Stepania, and Loren Woods. These guys are all free agents that can relieve Ming of his duties and can be had for the exception. All players are free agents for teams that have another player that is a free agent in the same position. Chances are it is easier to convince these players to a different team. All would be fine pick-ups and I like McCoy.

    Francis/Daniels/Moochie?
    Cat/Woods
    Posey/Nachbar
    Wallace/Taylor/Badiane
    Ming/McCoy

    That is a solid 12 man rotation with talent all-around. How about it?
     
  4. RocketsPimp

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    If we can lose Moochie while taking on Daniels, I'm down.
     
  5. Lil Francis

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    I remember a couple of years ago when Daniels punched on Kevin Johnson in the playoffs. That was sick. He and Rasheed would look nice in Rocket jersey.
     
  6. RIET

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    I always thought Daniels would be a really good player but for whatever reason, just didn't work out in San Antonio.

    He had a reputation of either being a headcase or just plain stupid.
     
  7. SmeggySmeg

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    didn't he have a massive dunk on the Mavs playoff series, it was doen the middle of the lane in traffic
     
  8. SLA

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    Would love him too! I'd like him or Ollie. Either one would be great.

    Antonio Daniels looks taller than 6-3...Kevin Ollie 6-3 too?

    Piatkowski would also be nice...but isn't too important.

    First resign Posey!
     
  9. Deckard

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    Golly, that's what we're looking for!
     
  10. Dr of Dunk

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    Amen.

    By the way, I don't know where the rumors about Rasheed coming here started, but if we get him and also shore up our backcourt, the West will be a damn warzone next season. With Payton and possibly Malone coming to the West : The East? What's that? Do they even need to bother playing?
     
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    <B>Danials:</B> I'm not so sure about Danials. Spurs traded Danials because he failed to be the athletic swing man who could play against the likes of Kobe. He also isn't a good outside shooter but rather collects most of his points through penetration. This is why they traded Danials and replaced him with Steve Smith.

    <B>Current Spurs Guards:</B> The current Spurs guards, Jackson and Ginobili, have been successful unlike Danials because they can do all of the following: are excellent decision makers, can hit the outside shot, and are decent athletes who can penetrate to the basket.

    <B>Danials/Mobley Comparison:</B> Also, Danials has a similar game to Cutino Mobley. Both can penetrate and both are good athletes who can’t really hit the outside shot on consistent bases. However, there have been a couple of differences. First, Mobley has been given the green light to be a major offensive option on a team while Danials has not. Second, Danials is the better team player because he doesn’t demand the ball or need the ball to be an effective player while Mobley is slightly, if at all, the better individual talent who needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Third, Danials mentality and decision making is better then Mobley because he has been forced to give up the ball for the better of the team.

    <B>Trade Mobley</B> What doesn’t make sense is that Danials is so similar to Mobley in regards to what each can provide for a team. The only reason to bring in Danials is to replace Mobley. So perhaps the rumor of Mobley on the trading block is very real indeed. Signing Danials makes Mobley expendable. This is a good idea. Because now you are bringing in a guy who has similar talents of Mobley who doesn’t mind allowing Yao and Steve being the focal point of the team.
     
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    Orlando had Daniels in within the first couple of days of the free agency period and is the frontrunner for his services. The Magic have coveted him for several seasons, back to the summer of 2000 when they tried to work out a deal for him. If they sign Claxton and re-sign Armstrong, though, there's no room for Daniels.

    The Rockets could be in the running at that point, but I don't think they are near the front now.
     
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    According to the Orlando Sentinal, Armstrong will most likely not sign with the Magic next season. Armstrong value is more then what the Magic want to spend on him.
     
  14. francis 4 prez

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    3pt fg%

    mobley 35.2
    ginobili 34.5
    jackson 32.0
    daniels 30.5

    so jackson and gino can hit but mobley can't? hmmm...
     
  15. mfclark

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    That's old news, and that's not correct.

    Armstrong wants a longer contract than the Magic want, but he has said he's willing to be flexible and the Magic have said they want him back.

    Trust me - I'm a Magic fan and follow the team religiously. He'll be back, despite his arrest.
     
  16. Porsche576

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    Hopefully we wont blow too much one on Daniels if we end up getting him.
     
  17. blazer_ben

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    good pickup if you guys can stitch him up. solid defender ok off the dribble weak point is he's shooting can be eratic at times. but he's strong point is the way he can take it to the rack to either draw a foul and finish it strong or to dish it off for a easy finish he dosent get intimitated very often. also he's a pretty big point guard at 6'5 a handy matchup for the likes of kidd. from what i hear he's off to orlando
     
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    ok, y'all. here's the 4-1-1 on antonio daniels...


    antonio was traded by the spurs for 1 (publicized) reason. antonio used to play pickup ball here (s.a.) at the JCC (jewish community center). well, he and some guy were going at it pretty hot and heavy one day, and the other guy was getting the best of him. well, apparently this dude kept running off at the mouth, they got into a fight. if you've met antonio, you know that for a 6'4", 6'5ish guy, he's pretty built. well, antonio ended up choking the dude. within one week, the spurs traded him.

    that's why (publicly) he didn't work out with the spurs.

    privately, there's other reasons why he didn't work with the spurs. according to a couple of friends of mine, that are "in the know", antonio and pop butted heads constantly. antonio is not a "headcase", though. he just believes in speaking his mind. that, for whatever reason, did not go over well with pop.

    other rumors (which i heard from someone who is not in quite as well with the spurs org.) i won't post here, because they are (potentially) pretty serious.

    as a ball player, antonio has serious talent. he's an above average defender, shoots a good midrange jumper, has adequate range, and runs the offense decently. in short, he's an excellent back up point guard....along the lines of a bobby jackson.

    as a person, he is one of the biggest pricks you ever want to meet. straight up. i've run across him a number of times (at restaurants, at his favorite two strip clubs in san antonio - babes and wild zebra, and at one of the bars in town called jewels). never was he friendly. never.

    for the waiters out there in cc.net, don't ever wait on him. dude's a terrible, terrible tipper and has a sh*tty attitude to boot.

    all that said, i think he'd be a decent signing for the rockets on a short term deal. maybe time has changed him and he's acquired some maturity. i hope so. but i wouldn't commit big $ and multiple years on him. not unless i was sure his off the court behavior was rectified.

    in all fairness to him, he was (in his time in san antonio), tim duncan's best friend. so maybe his character defects only apply to the general public. maybe that's why he left a seriously bad impression with me.
     
  19. Rileydog

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    If you're building a team from scratch, you take Daniels over Ollie. If you're the Rox, you take Ollie every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

    Ollie's profile is good defensive player that makes smart decisions. Daniels' profile is great athlete, good at many things, questionable head. Daniels' has that seductive "potential". He can be great on some nights, and piss poor on others. Ollie is boring and steady. Same stat line, same decisions, no highlights whatsoever.

    We already have too many moving parts to this team. We need consistency. O-L-L-I-E.
     
  20. MoonBus

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    verse, that is a good read. Thanks!

    What would be the asking price for Daniels and Ollie?
     

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