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Fox news vs. 12 year old girl about Georgia

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by nokidding, Aug 15, 2008.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    I agree. In this case the Fox anchor seemed to go out of his way to be fair even coming back from a commercial break and giving them some more time.

    That said I think this piece shows that there really aren't any good guys in this conflict. While the Russians are certainly in the wrong I don't think the Georgians necessarily are right.
     
  2. Mr. Clutch

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    Have they taken over Atlanta yet?
     
  3. leroy

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    I agree. I'm no fan of Fox News but they did nothing wrong here.

    I work with a bunch of people from Dalton, GA...a town with not the highest IQ average. I wonder how many of them actually thought they were being attacked.

    [​IMG]
     
  4. plutoblue11

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    Some on this board already know how I feel about Fox News and their aspirations with off the cusp comments. I wouldn't say that they are totally biased (or more than any other network), but it does come out of it's shell sometimes.


    I watched before I came to this site, and the girl told the truth had no reason to lie about it. Russia might be in the wrong for being over-aggressive, but I can say much worse things about the Bush Administration (and the War in Iraq and pre-emptive strikes on falsfied evidence). While, Russia is somewhat justified into military actions, since it was a border/sovereignty dispute with Georgia being an invader. You can't really say much about that.
     
  5. bnb

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    The girl might be right. She might be wrong. But Fox was looking for a heart wretching -- OMG -- tear filled personal travesty clip, and the girl hit them with a well articulated political statement. They let her run with it.....appologized for going to commercial (damned capitalist dogs) and then returned so she and her mom could wrap up. Didn't dispute her claims, (if anything acknowledged that her view had merrit) and didn't try to cut her off at all.

    THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!
     
  6. Dairy Ashford

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    The thread title seems just a skosh misleading, this seems less about network bias or even an adversarial interview than it was about production staff incompetency. A genuinely interesting moment on a live cable news show that would probably be a good mini-case study for a Broadcast Journalism class. I would love to have seen Shepard Smith's profanity-laced meltdown afterwards; he might not give a flip about Russia or Georgia, but I bet he'd snap his own mother's neck if she made him look bad on camera (as would any anchor).
     
  7. ROXRAN

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    I think Fox news "won"... It made everyone who clicked on here think about Fox news...It also got some of the backslappers excited and angry...

    Scoreboard!
     
  8. Ottomaton

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    The Russian state media has been using this as 'proof' that there is a giant coordinated western conspiracy to discredit Russia and present biased evidence. Undoubtedly, this resonates with many Russians who, like people everywhere, need only the flimsiest of supporting evidence to convince themselves to believe what they want to believe.

    In doing what they did, FOX News did a great favor for the Kremlin.
     
  9. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm having trouble making sense of the last two posts.

    Fox news is now a tool of the Kremlin?

    Fox news won? Against who and what scoreboard?
    :confused:
     
  10. Ottomaton

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    They didn't do it intentionally. They would probably be pretty pissed off if you told them they were helping Putin.

    But they did it none the less. By giving an appearance of bias, they helped Russian state media "show" the Russian people that Americans don't care about Russia's "great humanitarian mission" to Abkhazia and South Ossetia and are just out to try and humiliate poor, kind-hearted, misunderstood Russia.

    Sort of like WNES and his 'proof' of the white man's mission to destroy China because of the coverage of Tibet. In fact, that Chinese theme is probably what prompted the current Russian methodology; if you don't like the direction of coverage, you can nit-pick a few minor inconsequential reporting mistakes and spin it into a massive conspiracy of intentional lies to discredit your fatherland of choice.
     
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  11. ROXRAN

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    See thread title...
     
  12. ROXRAN

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    How they do that? bnb gives me the impression of fairness...Fox was looking for a heart wretching -- OMG -- tear filled personal travesty clip, and the girl hit them with a well articulated political statement. They let her run with it.....appologized for going to commercial (damned capitalist dogs) and then returned so she and her mom could wrap up. Didn't dispute her claims, (if anything acknowledged that her view had merrit) and didn't try to cut her off at all.
     
  13. Ottomaton

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    Well, you could check out RIA Novosti if you want to see how they did that.
     
  14. glynch

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    I thought I remembered a conflict between Murdoch and Saakavilli. It turns out that the reputed perfect democrat of Georgia closed a Murdoch TV station because it was supporting his rival. Of course, Saaka can do no wrong in the current mainstream media. Fox in this case is just doing what Murdoch wants. Just another example of how our media is manipulated.

    It was good to see a counter example to the manipulated media story that the commies of Russia are out to get the good guy democrat of Georgia.

    Probably what the 12 year old said was true. However, tt could have been like the fake story used to whip American support for Gulf War I. They had a young woman who claimed to have see Iraqi s taking Kuwaiti babies off of incubators It turned out that she was really the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US daughter who had not been in Kuwait.
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    It turns out that Mr. Murdoch’s expanding television empire began managing the most popular station in Georgia last year just as tensions were building over the station’s supposed support for the opposition to President Mikheil Saakashvili, whose critics say he is not the democrat he has claimed to be.

    When the president accused the station of fomenting a coup and padlocked its doors, Mr. Murdoch was caught up in the convoluted alliances that have long played out in this region.

    As a result, Mr. Murdoch’s News Corporation has found itself going up against Georgia’s president, a friend of Mr. Murdoch’s own friends in the White House.-

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/weekinreview/18levy.html


    http://www.prwatch.org/node/1225

    H&K's Baby Incubator Story Still Debated
    Topics: propaganda | public relations | U.S. government | war/peace
    Source: O'Dwyer's PR Daily
    "Lauri Fitz-Pegado, the former Hill and Knowlton staffer who promoted the story about armed Iraqi troops tossing Kuwaiti babies out of their incubators - one of the biggest PR stories of the `90s - is now handling PR for the Cayman Island Cultural Center in New York," noted O'Dwyer's PR Daily on May 28. "H&K, on behalf of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait front group of exiled royals, produced a 15-year-old girl 'Nayirah' who testified that she saw Iraqi troops committing the atrocity in a Kuwaiti hospital. She testified before the Congressional Human Rights caucus in Oct. 1990 that Iraqis took 15 babies from incubators, which they then stole, and left premature infants 'on the cold floor to die.' ... Fitz-Pegado provided media coaching skills to Nayirah, who as it turned out, was the daughter of Kuwait's Ambassador to the U.S., and had never visited the hospital." The O'Dwyer's story includes Fitz-Pegado's angry attempt to refute charges that she coached Nayirah to lie, followed by a critique of Fitz-Pegado's response by PR Watch editor Sheldon Rampto
     
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  15. BrownBeast99

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    Wow, 12yr olds nowadays. She's pretty grown and talks well for her age. ;)
     
  16. ROXRAN

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    Tell me about it...My 7 year old is almost as tall as her teacher, and criticizes me for wearing wrinkled shirts...Man...They grow up too fast...
     
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    Spoken like a true commie, well done sir :p
     
  18. leroy

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    Stay Classy, ROXRAN.

    :rolleyes:
     
  19. pirc1

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    Ya, Russia is commie alright :p . Anything you don't like, slap a commie label on and it should be ok to say anything about them.
     
  20. ROXRAN

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    I hope you know I wasn't serious...C'mon
     

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