I know how important dogs are in a cultural sense. All I'm arguing is that other animals suffer just as much as dogs do. And not everyone in the world feels the same way about our "unique relationship" with them.
What cracked me up the most was, "He went to jail for two years , big deal." He would not last two hours in a real jail.
And then there's a lot of people who do watch, do care, and highly value what he and the rest of the network says, which only reinforces whatever misguided opinions they may have and perpetuates the circle of dumb. Really dumb, for real.
your post gives me hope that i won't have to respond to the assumption that Tucker speaks for all Christians :grin:
Let's be honest, whenever anyone starts off with "Now I'm a Christian, but..." What follows is usually completely antithetical to the teachings of Christ. "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." - Anne Lamott
There are some psychiatrists who believe that sociopathy (or more accurately, Antisocial personality disorder) cannot be cured. Treated, perhaps, but not cured. Much like compulsive addictive behavior, it is a lifelong condition. As for the four things you mentioned, I would argue that #1 and #2 were accomplished, but not to the degree warranted by his actions (that's not a Vick-problem, but rather a legal-system-problem) and we still don't know if #3 and #4 have been accomplished because the timeline hasn't played-out. It could be he's just gotten better at covering his tracks. The legal system may forgive and forget, but the court of public opinion does not. I'm not saying I agree with Carlson (who is a douchebag, par excellence), but I do believe Vick got off very, VERY easy.
I didn't think Obama should've weighed in on the Vick situation but at the same time this comment seems to be primarily motivated by partisanship. If it had been a Republican president or if Lurie was a big donor to the GOP I get the feeling Tucker Carlson wouldn't have said the same thing.
Well, you know that some conservatives wanted to rewrite the Bible (not sure if they followed through or not) and take out the liberal stuff like the "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" part, which they argue wasn't part of the original scripture.
If there are some who think that, I am sure there are others who do not and/or can believe these people can live a normal life in society. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it plays out to decide one way or the other really. You mean they were not accomplished to a degree that you feel is just, right? I personally don't see the problem as the judge sentenced him to more time than the prosecutors asked for and he got more time for what he did than a lot of other criminals who do a lot worse things, in my opinion. Not only that, he has to pay fines and for the care of the dogs rescued from his operations which has totaled over $1 million, is on probation for years, blew his career, lost a $100 million dollar contract, lost millions in endorsement deals, went bankrupt, became a public pariah and will forever live under a huge microscope where there is very little, if any, room for error. I mean I remember a story last year where he was spotted in an airport having an "adult beverage". Under what constitutional scope should he be punished more exactly? Then I'll say 3 and 4 have been accomplished up to this date. I am not going to assume he is still out breaking the law and covering his tracks. He could be but he has too much to lose in doing so and has seen this in the past. I'll assume he is smart enough to realize that. Public opinion is not totally against Vick either. There are tons of people out there rooting for him, even the very judge who sentenced him. There are plenty out there who despise what he did and will never be OK with him receiving a second chance but I believe they are in the minority. I think Vick was punished severely enough to where he won't repeat the same mistakes he did in the past and I do not believe he got off easy at all.
No joke... What is that faming saying "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and I'm not even a religious man...
The FOX pile-on by the sheeple is predictable. Poor simple-minded fools... they get had by a tv show and don't even know it. I honestly don't think Carlson believes that Vick deserves the death penalty. Save your outrage for PETA: Is Michael Vick a Changed Man? http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2009/08/13/is-michael-vick-a-changed-man.aspx Thanks to Richard Cohen for his Washington Post piece in which he asks if some sports reporters have a special key on their typewriters for "He's served his time." Michael Vick has indeed served his time, and that entitles him to walk free in our society. And as he walks, he can remember how lucky he is to have been able to afford an army of high-priced attorneys who got him a plea bargain so that he wouldn't be charged with all the many abuses and crimes that took place when he purposely built a major gambling operation and the grounds on which to house it. He can remember how lucky he is to have been charged only with maiming and killing some dogs, although his carefully designed fighting operation went back at least 8 years. Serving his time entitles him to live in one of his big houses, but it doesn't mean he's sorry. Did you see this video of Vick's homecoming? Did you see any remorse in his eyes? As the champagne flows, does he look ashamed about the deeds he's done? Vick shows as much remorse for the dogs he abused as he did his first night out of prison, when he went to a strip club. Perhaps that's why the video, in which his eyes are blurred and his speech is slurred, has been pulled from YouTube by its poster, and the original version can no longer be found on the Web. So, Vick can no longer just blame a lack of parental guidance or bad influences in his youth. And the last USDA report blew out of the water his protest that he has always loved his "pets," but didn't see that the "pits" were also deserving of respect. That report reveals that Vick enjoyed throwing those "pets" into the ring with the fighting dogs and laughed as they were torn apart. We gave the man the benefit of the doubt, but he tested positive for mar1juana on the day he was taking an empathy course. Then, weeks before he was set to go to jail, he went into a pet shop in Newport News, Virginia, and bought a bulldog. Frankly, nothing sat right. We worried that "I'm sorry" might just be words in the wind. We didn't want his empty words or his money (offered and rejected). We wanted him to take the latest neurological test that's now being given to violent offenders—a test that can tell if the part of one's brain that registers empathy is active. He wouldn't do it. That's when we said, "So long." Michael Vick may deserve to walk free, but he doesn't deserve to be a football star or a hero to children, and no group has any business helping him do so. We thank Richard Cohen for remembering the dogs Vick personally electrocuted, held underwater in a swimming pool, strung up like hammocks, and slammed into the ground until their backs broke. Written by Joel Bartlett Posted by PETA
Man you had me until "It's almost like having a real human being by your side" Not even close buddy.....You must like obedience and loyalty a lot !!! As father of 5, Husband, grandson, friend, and uncle dogs are no where near the companionship/relationship of another human being.
